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Perhaps 

YDS: 5.7 French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b

   
Type:  Trad, 2 pitches, 210'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.7 French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b [details]
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Submitted By: Andrew Gram on Mar 31, 2004

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Perhaps

Description 

The second pitch of this is absolutely superb - one of the best dihedrals I have ever done. It will be wet when everything else is dry, but it is still reasonable if it is dripping a bit.

Find the big easy looking dihedral downhill from the Green Adjective thin crack, and just right of a hard looking sport route.

P1: Climb up the dihedral for about 40 feet, and traverse right at a fixed pin. Make sure to protect the second on this traverse - it is a bit thin. Belay at chains around the corner from the pin. 60', 5.7

P2: Climb the long dihedral that traverses right along the bottom of several roofs. This pitch is long, beautiful, and sustained 5.5 or 5.6 The corners of the roofs love to eat the rope and give heinous drag, so try to place a piece at these corners to guide the rope along. It is best to set up a belay if the rope drag gets to be too bad. After about 140' of this, escape right into an easy gully and downclimb 10' or so to the anchors on the Green Adjective.

One rope rap leads to the ground from here.

Protection 

If doing it in 2 pitches and 5.7 is your limit, bring a good sized rack from small to 3 camalot.


Photos of Perhaps Slideshow Add Photo
Cleanin' up
Cleanin' up
Perhaps after standing in line.
Perhaps after standing in line.
The lizard gettin it done
The lizard gettin it done
Blitzo on the first pitch. Photo by C. Serniuk, Bl...
Blitzo on the first pitch. Photo by C. Serniuk, Bl...
P2
P2
Charleen on the second pitch. Photo by Blitzo.
Charleen on the second pitch. Photo by Blitzo.
Ben completing the second pitch
Ben completing the second pitch
Alysha on her first granite route.
Alysha on her first granite route.
Jake Werner on 2nd pitch
Jake Werner on 2nd pitch
Christian Burrell on the first pitch of Perhaps.
Christian Burrell on the first pitch of Perhaps.
P2 under cling.
P2 under cling.
Ben on the Crux on the first pitch
Ben on the Crux on the first pitch
Look Ma!! No hands.
Look Ma!! No hands.
Chilling after leading both pitches.  This is one ...
Chilling after leading both pitches. This is one ...
Peter Gram leading the crux traverse on the first ...
Peter Gram leading the crux traverse on the first ...
Pitch 2 topo
BETA PHOTO: Pitch 2 topo
Perhaps, Gordon's Hangover, Touch Up
BETA PHOTO: Perhaps, Gordon's Hangover, Touch Up
Kevin Brown, Jake Werner...the end of a great rout...
Kevin Brown, Jake Werner...the end of a great rout...
Jon and I
Jon and I

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By John J. Glime
From: Salt Lake City, UT
May 26, 2004

This is a nice route for the grade, in the canyon, but the downclimbing at the end definitely detracts from the overall quality in my opinion. Fun, good climb... not exceptional. Protect the traverses!
By Nathan Fisher
Aug 4, 2004
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

This climb was a blast and very different. Up/over/up/over/up/over/down. It did, however, have 2 negatives. First being the 1st pitch inconsistency. One move to get off the ground, followed by a length of relatively easy climbing, followed by a nice traverse to the anchors. Second. The downclimb at the end. Downclimbing in and of itself isn't too bad, however easy scrambling down is bad. Also, watch the swallows, as there still seems to be nests.

Oh yeah, don't forget the downclimb, liek I almost did. I am just zipping along, looking at the slab to the north (drooling), and my belayer yells "You're not there yet?" I look down and kinda south and well, there I was.
By vincent pierce
Nov 18, 2004
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

A really fun route. It's real long but it's such a cruiser that u finish before u know it. The little downclimb wasn't "fun" but it shouldn't stop anyone from doing the route.The book has kept me away from this for a while with its description of nasty rope drag but... if u use slings and protect the corners it isn't bad at all. I saw no need for the optional belay in the middle of pitch 2.
By kBobby
From: Spokane, WA
May 31, 2005
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

This route is great. When I did this a few years ago for the first time, I said to Justin, "That was SPECTANGULAR!" We both laughed. A couple weeks later while we were in Red Rocks, Justin realized that the associated word, RECTACULAR, isn't as appealing.

Rope drag isn't too bad if you runner long and choose your placements wisely. It is imperative that you protect the second on the traverse and downclimb. A couple years ago a climber was experiencing heinous rope drag while traversing. He clipped the pin, pulled up a bunch of slack, then fell. The pin pulled and he had a bad ledge fall.
By Ishmail
From: Utah
Sep 2, 2005

Gear Alert
The hanger has sharp edges and if the rope would get caught on one of the two halfs during a fall - the rope could get shredded or worse - cut. Belay off to the right side backing up with a number 2 Camalot. Great Route!
By d-know
From: electric lady land
Jan 25, 2006
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

done in 1 pitch w/70 meter rope adds a little more fun, using some long runners and a little rope strategy.
By Blitzo
Sep 9, 2006

A fun route.
By Buff Johnson
Sep 20, 2006
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

Fun, but more traversing than crack climbing, made P2 into 3 pitches to protect the second.
By mikewhite
Oct 27, 2008

Update

The cracked hanger was replaced long ago.
By Barry52
Dec 9, 2009

We used to do the 2nd pitch with only three pieces of pro, because of the rope-drag. It's an easy .7, and three pieces allow you to really cruise along the elegant dihedral.
By zoso
Dec 9, 2009

3 pieces? Why bother w/the rope?
By Jon Behrmann
From: Herriman
Sep 12, 2010

Donovan's Comments: The crux P1. A nice little smear across a wall with almost nothing to grab or crimp. Gets the blood flowing. Looks nice and easy til you get on there. A fun lead or follow.
By zoso
Sep 12, 2010

Way to protect your 2nd. Der.
By cragsavvy
From: Salt Lake City
Sep 25, 2010

Great fun climbing! One very awkward, exposed step and the end of the first pitch. From there follow the obvious cracks. There are a few stuck cams, but so far in I wouldn't imagine anyone getting them out. Watch out for birds in the crack, they like it in there! Also, set a belay above the Green A anchors, then scramble down to them. You can TR the Green A from these anchors with a 60 meter rope. A very quality climb well worth doing!!!
By Boissal
From: Small Lake, UT
Apr 5, 2011
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b

SPAM!
Learn to protect your second, place gear, slab climb and post worthy content.
By Zac Robinson
From: Salt Lake City, UT
Apr 7, 2011

Boissal wrote:
Learn to protect your second, place gear, slab climb and post worthy content.


I'll give you 3/4 of those. On a good day.
By Donovan
From: West Jordan, Utah
Apr 10, 2011

Dude, that was totally protected up above. I agree it doesn't show it well, but it wasn't filmed so we could put it up on MP. I guess that was an after thought. If we had that in mind we would have shown our gear placement to protect a potential pendulum. I'll see if he will at least edit his description so it mentions it. Thanks for your concern.
Protection from above.
Protection from above.
By oldfart
Jul 22, 2011

Had a little surprise in the initial Perhaps/Gordon's corner this evening. Stepped up in the corner and startled a baby rattler in the crack. Beware - little fella looked like he was digging his spot - and not digging me 2 feet away from him...
By DrApnea
From: Wenatchee, WA
Oct 29, 2011
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

Watch the rope drag. Can be protected with long draws and medium to large passive gear only if you are interested in doing so. But be sure to protect traverse. There was an article in one of the climbing magazines a few years back about the need to question fixed gear which told of a climber taking a huge pendulum with major spine injuries because of an old fixed piton that pulled out on this route.
By Aerili
From: Salt Lake City, UT
Jun 18, 2012

Incredibly clean and uber classic. The comment about doing it in one pitch with a 70 m rope is spot-on. However, done this way, it didn't feel like a gimme 5.7.
By Spencer Daniels
From: Sandy,utah
Feb 15, 2013
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

Climbed Perhaps 2-14-13 and when i got to the base of the route I took off my pack and almost got drilled by a piece of ice the size of your head. still pretty wet on the second pitch.