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By justin Jakimiak
From Plainwell, MI
Apr 11, 2012
so aside from agulas frey, which is my number one destination for my impending south america trip, what does patagonia proper have to offer someone with no ice or alpine experience? could i go there during the warm season and find multi-pitch routes to climb or does it need to be frozen? either way i plan to at least go see the place. but i'm looking for more detailed info on everything there is to climb there.

sources and suggestions are all appreciated.
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By Cor
Apr 11, 2012
black nasty
mostly glacier travel. (could be dangerous...)
little ice climbing.
mostly alpine rock.
it would be good to be at least a 5.10 leader

pataclimb.com

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By TScharp
From Jackson, Wyoming
Apr 21, 2012
tetons
There are great sport routs close to Bariloche in Valle Encantado. Also, about a 4 hour drive south of Bariloche is Piedra Parada and Canyon de los Buiterras. Do not skip this area!! Esquel lies about 1.5 hr from Piedra Parada and La Buiterra, The local crew has been putting up routes in a zone called La Torta, stop by the Club Andino Esquel and talk to Marisa y Ignacio, great people and happy to help. Remember equipment is hard to come by in this part of the world and if you have anything to trade, sell, or donate, take it to the Club Andino and help out the local dirt bags! Have a great trip!

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By Sam Lightner, Jr.
From Lander, WY
Apr 21, 2012
The Shield
You have to do glacier travel for virtually everything. Not much vert-ice, unless you are looking for it, but often moving from glaciers onto rock, or visa versa, is a bit technical. Most summits have some ice someplace. You kinda want to have those skills. Also, and I can't over state this, its not the place to learn them. Speed is the key in that area, so if you don't have snow and ice travel down, you are putting yourself at a great disadvantage... thus in danger.

That said, there are some sport climbs and single pitch rock climbs in the area, but they are not worth traveling to. You go for the mountains, and the mountains are icy.

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By TScharp
From Jackson, Wyoming
Apr 21, 2012
tetons
Justin, you say "Patagonia Proper." Patagonia is an area, much like saying, Rocky Mountains or The Alps. It is HUGE. There are plenty of great climbs, both sport and alpine all over "Patagonia". Sounds like your going to Bariloche, it has a great alpine culture if you fall in with the right people. And yes, Bariloche is known by the locals as part of Patagonia. Agujas Frey area is da shit! If you make it to Chalten, talk to Merlin Lipshitz, Patagonia Mountaineering. They could give you good beta without having to beg on some routes with lesser glacial/ice travel, or put you on some routes on the local crag right in town.
PS: Your a bit late in the season, my suggestions: Stay in Northern Patagonaia, = Bariloche to Esquel areas.

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By Rafael Rovirosa
From Las Cruces, NM
Apr 21, 2012
Check out Valle Cochamo in Chile. It is close to Bariloche and it is like Yosemite in that it is a giant glacier cut valley with walls of granite.

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By justin Jakimiak
From Plainwell, MI
Apr 22, 2012
thanks for the input, i guess by patagonia proper i meant southern chile where cerro torre is. if im not mistaken there either. but yeah i'll try to go get some glacier travel experience before going for something like that, bariloche sounds dope anyway. and january is when i'll be going. once again thanks for all your comments

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By bag
Apr 22, 2012
Consider Torres del Paine if you are looking for huge alpine rock climbs. It takes the better part of a day to bus to Puerto Natales, Chile (the town of entry to Paine) from El Chalten, Argentina (trailhead town for Fitz and Cerro Torre massifs).

It's a truly amazing place and a very different feel from the Chalten scene . Everything is big and super-committing. There was a Rock & Ice Super Guide on the Paine area with good info published a while back.

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By Andy Novak
From Golden, Co
Apr 22, 2012
Living the High Life.
justin Jakimiak wrote:
thanks for the input, i guess by patagonia proper i meant southern chile where cerro torre is. if im not mistaken there either.


Cerro Torre is in Argentina.

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By justin Jakimiak
From Plainwell, MI
Apr 27, 2012
so january is an ok month to go to chalten?

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By justin Jakimiak
From Plainwell, MI
Apr 27, 2012
on pataclimb i read that the best time for rock(in chalten) is in late january through february. is there anyone that has been there in that time that could add to that?

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By Keenan Waeschle
From Bozeman, MT
Apr 27, 2012
on top of the RNWF June 2012
january and february is summertime, so yes. Not sure what else there is to add.

the weather around the torres is shit terrible even in summer. learn how to read the weather charts.

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