To bad so sad. I am glad that there is someone out there making the point that if you are too lazy to clean up after yourself, your shit will be gone. Keep up the good work. Booty is Booty. If it's on the wall and not attached to rap/belay stations it is booty. Good booty hunting all. maybe soon we can get people to stop bolting everthing around, stop being ego maniacs in search of the next FA on sub elite sport climbs. There are plenty out there use the ones that are exisitning and stop bolting the hell out of every rock wall you find. Off topic, but it seems in most cases this is done for self promotion, and potential sells of guidebooks. Gay.

While I agree with all of those statements, you know what's not lame? Delicious pancakes. Mmmmm. They're my favorite. Try putting some corn in your pancakes. I know, it sounds weird, but corn in your pancakes is actually really delicious.

To bad so sad. I am glad that there is someone out there making the point that if you are too lazy to clean up after yourself, your shit will be gone. Keep up the good work. Booty is Booty. If it's on the wall and not attached to rap/belay stations it is booty. Good booty hunting all. maybe soon we can get people to stop bolting everthing around, stop being ego maniacs in search of the next FA on sub elite sport climbs. There are plenty out there use the ones that are exisitning and stop bolting the hell out of every rock wall you find. Off topic, but it seems in most cases this is done for self promotion, and potential sells of guidebooks. Gay.

Besides the fact you can't be bothered to check your grammar or spelling, it is good to know you were brought up embracing the golden rule. Thank dog you are not my neighbor. If I parked my car in front of my house you might steal it. This is fun. I like the conditional "if its not attached to rap/belay stations" its booty, because that might affect YOU with your strict only-stuff-that-was-done-before-you-started-climbing ethic. Thanks for adding don't bolt since this probably 5.13 is now considered sub-elite. It is also good to know most of the routes in the world were done by guidebook authors. You should do a quick author search for Mr. Hore as he is more prolific than Terry McMillan (and better looking I might add). PT

Whatever, I personally don't like seeing draws of any kind hanging on walls. I also don't like the way Sport Climbing has made zoo's out of almost every decent assecible cliff, and I sure as heck don't like venturing into the wilds to find walls bolt ridden, because some dude got the sport bug and bought a drill, and years later not a soul climbing on it. Hanging draws, and leaving them is the antithesis, of what is wrong with our current climbing world. We are straight out of the gym, fresh from REI, and hooked on bolting for grades and ease. You will climb your route, say you've done it, and then more than likely rarely ever venture back once the high has worn. Yet we assume, that we are all gym rat, sporto's, whom enjoy the hip climbing crowds, that buzz at every major crag. You are right, I do like the ethic that I began with. Sport didn't exist in my mind, or realm when I started. There were very few climbers compared to now, and up until recently places that where secret gardens for those willing to venture away, are being bolted for and published for the masses. It is Gay. There is far too much rock out there for people to keep going and bolting as they please, for there own satisfaction. If you do this, and think you are a God of rock, and you can claim it, and then leave draws hanging becuase it might be a little too hard to get themback in, then that is gay as well, and I am glad someone is making less convienant to leave your shit, visible and on a wall. And no, my thieving days are over, I would leave a note at the base, much to the same effect.

Hanging draws, and leaving them is the antithesis, of what is wrong with our current climbing world.

It is Gay.

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Antithesis means opposite. You contradict your previous rant with this statement. Also "Gay" isn't very descriptive and makes you sound extremely ignorant (and is considered offensive by many). I think there is a decent argument to be made from your standpoint, but you wreck any credibility with your lack of tact.

Hey Ian, Enough already with the "gay" this and the "gay" that. Its unnecessary and inappropriate. Get a clue.

Like most words, there are many different meanings, and Gay did not originate with homosexuality, if certian "Gay people" take offense to that, then they should't have dubbed the word their own. I gave up "PC" a long time ago, anyways. I would suggest giving up your hard feelings towards a word, and except it is used widely, and isn't going anywhere, and unless directed at you, should have no effect on you.

You are either a genius troll or a 17 year old beanie-wearing fool who just discovered trad after 4 years of attempting to emulate Sharma on the short sandy pile you call your home crag. Either way, reading you hurts my eyes. Feel free to keep making your point but I doubt anyone has managed to go through one of your posts in full. And quit calling people gay, it's offensive, not to mention queer.

Never called anyone directly gay, just actions. BTW- by no means an old timer, but if you can count backwards 25 years, you might be able to realize that Sharma wasn't arround, and sport was just picking up from people destined to have their name on every inch of stone, and push limits with out any dangers. This breeded a society hell bent on bolting at all costs, while losing the initial essence of what it was originally about, getting to the top. Now it is a circus with 90% of climbers out there focused completely on #'s and how big their wang might be. It's fine, just stop bolting the hell out of every wall so you can prove your wang isn't tiny. And don't leave draws hanging, becuase you wang is soooo big, the added weight of draws will cause problems.

Wait, you throw gay at everything and everyone and when you get called out on it you switch to wang-sizing talk? I see where this is going...

how 'bout 'butt-hurt'? is anyone bothered by that one?

Hah!! I do get angry about gay bashing (I have many friends who are gay), but shit, "butt-hurt" just makes me laugh every time I hear it. What can I say, its funny. Besides, saying that you are butt-hurt doesn't imply anything about being hetero/homo or otherwise. I say keep on using that one.

WIKIPEDIA - For most of its life in English, the word's primary meaning was "joyful", "carefree", "bright and showy",