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By Tyson Anderson
From Las Vegas, NV
Jun 29, 2009
Rapping from the top of Cat in the hat
springs wrote:
Apparently signs are a waste since it sounds like most people in this group would simply destroy them.


I don't think it is the signs that piss people off, it's the fact that they are "drilled" signs that are way too permanent. If it is really an area of high use and everybody is having trouble finding it a sign would be much better compared to a gazillion different trails.

However, I think old fashioned cairns and decent beta from a guidebook will suffice. Route-finding is a required skill when climbing outside of a gym.

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By Ben Folsom
Jun 29, 2009
Rosco, A fine animal.
The local guidebooks are MORE than enough to get people to where they want to go. Above all that there is the internet where you can find step by step instructions on getting just about anywhere. There is always trail work that can be done, to minimize erosion, make sure areas aren't getting trampled all over. For the fuurther and less visited areas, a good healthy scrub oak thrashing, even if it takes up a good part of the day, is something that every Wasatch climber should have to do every once in a while.
The chipped signs are ridiculous and wooden signs are probably not an option in LCC. The trails are way better now, for the most part, than they were 15 years ago. I don't recall having too many problems finding the climbing ever. Like previously stated, a little common sense is about all that is needed. And if you find yourself in the brush for hours and hours, just count it as another day in Little Rottonwood.

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By Dave Budge
From South Slope of the Hindu Kush
Jun 30, 2009
Ben's right. Part of climbing is getting to know areas and occasionally getting lost during that process. Exploring and discovering something new only happens once, climbers should try and enjoy it.

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By Miike
From MA/CT border
Jun 30, 2009
my foot
this sounds like someone who is REALLY high doing this or quite possibly a boy scout project. maybe both.

at least they arent painting every other tree and rock on the trail with arrows and such like in the east.

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By ddriver
From SLC
Jun 30, 2009
Its already been stated here, but I'll say it again.

There won't be any signs on church property, pretty much end of story. Church lawyers are under the illusion that they will have increased liability for an accident if they take any action to "enable" climbing. So, forget about signage for the Fin, Thumb, Gate, etc. I won't even discuss the trails themselves here on a public forum.

As for USFS property, the new trail to the Egg etc is nowhere to be found in existing guidebooks, obviously, but the location of the climbs themselves certainly is. Most any rock retard ought to be able to find their way up there. I don't have a problem with wooden posts or such that keep people on the right trail, but this crap isn't rocket science. Hopefully the idiot doing this stuff will catch on and stop, or someone else will clue him in.

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By jonathan knight
Jun 30, 2009
Kessler Cairn
I have a feeling that we are dealing with someone in desperate need of attention, so I think we are just feeding the troll here.

To sum it up, we have talked about putting some signs in to mark the new trail, but this is obviously not necessary. In the future there could be a bulletin board with a map and any important notices at the park and ride trail head. Some "restoration area" signs need to be installed in a few areas. Hopefully they won't be ripped out.

Enjoy the remaining "wildness" of LCC. As the trail system continues to gradually improve there will be signs, more climbers, and more use by the general public.


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By STH
Jun 30, 2009
jonathan knight wrote:
I have a feeling that we are dealing with someone in desperate need of attention, so I think we are just feeding the troll here.



DING! DING! DING! I think we have a winner!

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By Brian in SLC
Jun 30, 2009
Climbing in Smuggler's Notch
jonathan knight wrote:
I have a feeling that we are dealing with someone in desperate need of attention, so I think we are just feeding the troll here.


Yeah, smells that way to me, too.

Whoever is doing it (or, past tense, has done it), knows the area and isn't a newb. They also are handy with a power drill. They also made time to do this. This isn't something you just bang out in a few minutes (ala a can of spray paint). Required a bit of planning, some materials, etc. And, given what it was, it was well done, so, someone took a fair bit of care in the construction.

What I'm hoping, is, that whoever is doing this, is done. If they’ve stood back recently to admire their work, then, they know it wasn’t well received and was eliminated.

Allen, where did you see the signage? Was it new (ie, fresh rock dust)?

jonathan knight wrote:
To sum it up, we have talked about putting some signs in to mark the new trail, but this is obviously not necessary. In the future there could be a bulletin board with a map and any important notices at the park and ride trail head. Some "restoration area" signs need to be installed in a few areas. Hopefully they won't be ripped out.


Given all the different "users" in the canyon, my bet is any sign will either get trashed and/or tagged. Be a pain to have to keep fixing. Heavy sigh...

This is the kind of situation I’m hoping the climbing community can police, and, not burden or involve "LE" type folks at any level.

-Brian in SLC

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By Price
From SLC, UT
Jun 30, 2009
Brian in SLC wrote:
"users"



users .. ha!

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