Sheees! Pretty big leverage stick eh?

Hey good job Mike. LCC is just as much as a rare gem as is Joe's or Indian Creek. Anyone caught trashing it should have a cam shoved up their ass and thrown off a cliff.

John, youre right, one should never intentionally "booty" their own gear. Use the perp's cam.

Nice work Mike!!

Here are some photos from the SLCA mini-project. Thanks Mike and Kandice for your time and effort.

Before the move. Submitted By: Jeff Porucznik on May 24, 2009

Moving the rock_1 Submitted By: Jeff Porucznik on May 24, 2009

Moving the rock_2 Submitted By: Jeff Porucznik on May 24, 2009

Moving the rock_3 Submitted By: Jeff Porucznik on May 24, 2009

Finished. Submitted By: Jeff Porucznik on May 24, 2009

All right! the car jack. Thanks everyone.

"Anybody need a house moved?"

How about that old tin shack on top of Mt. Timpanogos? I'd love to see that thing go.

you're a good guy mike!
you look like the proud parent of a bouncing baby rock in that last picture.

btw- (people other than mike) if you haven't been taking advantage of the new trail starting at the "sign" parking lot, you should. its been a great and cruiser way to get to crescent crack, the coffin, hong wall, the egg, and everything in between. and while no where is entirely safe from a break-in, the chances are much less given there is more traffic and more frequent canyon patrol in that lower lot.

in case you don't know...the trail begins just north/east of the bathroom and bus stop.

Ya I know the new trail grk, I was there when it was built.
We used it for this project.

i know you know mike, i was working next to you the whole day.

i hadn't worded that properly, that BTW was more for the masses who still park on the eroding washout and may not know about the new sweet trail action.

Good on ya boys. If ya catch the perp, use the car jack on their ass.

Speaking of the perp, if anyone sees new graffiti in the canyon maybe you could give me a call. Monkey needs help taking inventory.
clay

This afternoon while out climbing in LCC I found some more "signage". It was on a small rock and was easy to take care of by flipping it over. I will head up again and more permanently take of the offending signage after taking photographs. Before hand though I am going to contact a FS LEO to invite them on a little hike.

The drilled rock signage crap needs to stop. The crags being signed are well established crags. If you are not competent enough to find them you probably should not be in the woods.

So I think that chiseling things into boulders and rocks is wrong, but maybe we should consider the real issue here. Rock climbing in BCC/LCC has increased massively in the last 5 years. Tons more traffic, and lots more people getting "lost" on the approach to a cliff, especially all the scrub oak junk approaches in LCC. I could see someone thinking that they are doing a service to the climbing community, sort of similar to the Indian Creek plaques (though chiseling in granite is much, much more vandalistic in nature, imo).

I suspect that the demand to find the base of routes has gone up to a point where someone is leaving "signs" to make life easier for themselves. I'm not sure that this problem is going to stop. Maybe it would be better to address the issue by putting a few signposts up at a couple key places (think: the approach to the Thumb)?

Just a thought, it might be more productive.

While it is true there are more climbers and IF people are unable to find the access trails then there are way better ways to address the perceived problem. The Access Fund and the Salt Lake Climbers Coalition in cooperation with the Forest Service are the best way to address this perceived problem. That said I seriously doubt that the LDS Church would agree to signage on their land given that they do not want to even acknowledge the trails.

However, to me the problem is more indicative of today's society that wants ultra convenience spoon fed experience. The guide books (online and in print) do a very reasonable job of describing the access points. People just need to read them and be willing to follow their nose.

I was at Tahquitz two weeks ago and the locals had placed a wood post with a carabiner on the top as a marker for the trail up to lunch rock. Great idea, huh, low visual impact, not permanent. Within a week it was gone! Offended someone's sense of tradition, apparently.

Oh well, I liked their approach and think it would work well in LCC at trail junctions. Signage is not a bad thing when well executed. Perhaps in the case of the Egg etc its a good idea. We could at least eliminate the perceived need for chipping.

All this just makes me wonder how we all found the climbing areas in the old days.

Oh yeah, I remember now.... we figured it out through the use of guide books, maps and our own experiences. Combine that with a little common sense and there you are at the base. All this talk about chipping and signage to the crags is just sad and embarrasing. Come on sheeple... use your heads.

While I agree that we should all be able to track down a wall, the reality is that people are coming up with solutions to getting lost/wasting time hunting a wall down that are less than appealing to all of us on this thread. And regardless of how much we may dislike it or believe that people that are climbing should be responsible enough to do the approach, the reality is that they aren't. I'd rather have some signs as opposed to chiseled out boulders, even if I think that these people shouldn't be climbing.

back on that trail from the "sign" parking lot. is that an easier way to access "the fin?" after being devoured by oak brush for over two hours (hiking up towards thumb and over)the other day. it was too late and we were too spent to climb the damn thing. looked awesome though, can't wait to get back up there (hopefully a diff. way.) thanks for any updated approach info.