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Submitted By: George Perkins on Jan 29, 2008
Administrators: Aaron Hobson, Anthony Stout, George Perkins
Latitude: 35.8669  Longitude: -106.2022 
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The "Y" hosts 45' crack climbs in a narrow portion of lower Los Alamos Canyon and has climbs on both sides and an intermittent stream flowing through it. It is one of the best choices for basalt climbing in Los Alamos/White Rock in the summer, because the canyon is relatively peaceful and cool, though the south-facing wall is in the sun in evenings. You can seek out sun or shade as you desire- but most of the climbs are on the north (south-facing) side. The "Y" is more novice-friendly than many other areas in White Rock, but still contains enough interesting routes for those of all abilities.

It's a popular toproping area, though many of the climbs can be led. You'll need to bring gear to set anchors.

Climbs are numbered to coincide with the North Side Beta Photo and South Side Beta Photo.

What's that smell? That peaceful stream is effluent from the waste-treatment plant for Los Alamos (the town, not the lab). This area occasionally flash-floods, also.

There are many petroglyphs in this area. Don't climb on them or right next to them, and certainly don't damage them. Access has been closed in too many other areas in the southwest US for climbing too close to petroglyphs. There's 300+ climbs in White Rock... think very carefully "do I really need to climb this one climb??" Be responsible, and realize that many people appreciate these cultural resources.


Getting There 

The "Y" is just south of NM 502, a little bit east of the intersection of NM 502 and NM 4 (where the road forks to go to White Rock or Los Alamos). From the junction of 502 and 4, get going eastbound, and park on the shoulder where the first guardrail on the south side comes to an end (if you drop down past a water tank, you've gone way too far). Hike south 1 minute to the clifftop. The downclimb is 3rd class and is found by heading west along the cliff's edge.


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Mountain Project's determination of some of the classic, most popular, highest rated routes for Y, The:
(07) Open Book   5.8+     Trad, TR, 1 pitch, 50 feet   North Wall of the Y
(06) Triple Overhang   5.9     Trad, TR, 1 pitch, 50 feet   North Wall of the Y
(11) Wisconsin   5.10c PG13     Trad, TR, 1 pitch, 50 feet   North Wall of the Y
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By Bill Lawry
From: New Mexico
Mar 29, 2008

Marc Beverly's guide "Jemez Rock & Pecos Area" (2006) indicates that Bandelier National Monument prohibits bolting in this area.

By George Perkins
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From: Los Alamos, NM
Mar 30, 2008

Not sure that Jemez Rock is accurate on who "owns" the Y, based on maps by the Los Alamos Lab and elsewhere.

This is Los Alamos Lab (DOE) government property, as indicated by signs on the fence next to the highway. Signs on trees 20' south of the South Rim say 'NPS boundary', so that is where the northern extent of Bandelier's Tsankawi district begins. It was discussed that this area might have been included in the LANL-San I land swap deal (which would've likely resulted in its closure), but it was ultimately not included in that deal.

Because it is DOE land and not White Rock Open Space [like the rest of White Rock - except Potrillo (also DOE) and Sewer Crag - (San I Pueblo)], rules might be different here. Don't ask the Los Alamos Lab questions about climbing.. only bad answers can come of it. Liability in all respects is a huge concern at that institution.

In the White Rock bolting agreement , the Y is considered ok for installing bolts for anchors (because many of the trees are dead), and off-limits for installing new bolts on the climbs.

The two bolted routes at the Y do not have hangers. If you must lead them, bring your own hangers, and take 'em off when you're done, or someone else probably will.

Since it only takes one self-righteous individual to remove bolts, anyone installing anchors at the Y or any of the "trad cliffs" at White Rock should recognize that there's a chance the same person who removed previous bolted anchors at the Playground and Potrillo might come back.

By Chris Wenker
From: Santa Fe
Mar 31, 2008

I can't remember where I saw this, but a while ago I read somewhere that the canyon in which the "Y" climbs are located is on land administered by the New Mexico Department of Transportation. When I read that, I went so far as to check that out on the maps at the Santa Fe county assessor's office. If I recall correctly, their GIS maps supported that DOT land status, I think as far south as the southern canyon wall. Although, having worked at the county myself, I wouldn't put 100% confidence in their GIS land parcel boundaries (they're not meant to be pinpoint accurate anyway). If the Y is indeed DOT land, I don't know what that might mean as far as access; also, I'm not entirely clear if it was DOT land or just a DOT easement.
I'll try to find where I originally saw that information. Anyone? Maybe in an old archived LAM google discussion forum?

Edit Update: Here it is: Jackson's 2006 Falcon guide book, page 191. "Management of The Y is by the New Mexico Highway Department."

Edited edit: Others 'in the know' have now told me that there is actually a strip of DOE land between the highway ROW land and the boundary of Bandelier land, so Jackson is probably wrong (as is the county's map). George's comment above is actually probably more accurate regarding the land status of the crag.