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By da toz
From Paoli, PA
Jul 7, 2014
hey there, i will be passing through WV and KY in the near future, and i was hoping to stop at the New and the Red for a short period of time (maybe 1 or 2 days in each place). but i don't really know what's what around there, so i ask you MP'ers for some solid areas within the New and Red that have alot to offer for a 1 or 2 day stay. an area thats got some easy lines (dragging along someone that has never stepped on rock before) and some classics, shade is a plus. any suggestions are appreciated... thank you!!

cheers!!

toz

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By Kyle Hartung
Jul 7, 2014
Easy lines at the New are hard to come by, especially in bunches. I would go to Orange Oswald Wall at Summerville Lake. 5.8-5.11+? There are other 10's around there as well, and it's beautiful.

For the Red, I would definitely stay at Miguel's and eat the pizza. Take your buddy to Creature Feature at Phantasia Wall, cool 5.9 super easy. Then probably go to Muir Valley Bruise Brothers or something like that.

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By M. Lane
From Somerville, NJ
Jul 7, 2014
All smiles after diving through the squeeze on wol...
+1 for Summersville Lake at the New. The setting is simply beautiful. For other easy sport climbs that are actually in the Gorge, check out Sandstonia in the Bubba City area. There are numerous moderate trad climbs at the Endless Wall where you can get much better views of the Gorge. Although the sport climbing there is more suited for the advanced climber (5.11+). Never been to the Red, too much to do at the New :)

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Jul 7, 2014
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
I second Summersville for one day- but get out early. There are a couple 5.7s, .8s and 9s. A handful of .10as. Pretty concentrated. True, Bubba City does have its share of moderates, but they are not as concentrated as they are at Summersville, and honestly, the lower grades 5.7 - 5.9 aren't as high quality either. Go early or wait in line in the summer. When you get worn out, go swimming- it's about 10-12 steps to your six in most areas especially Orange Oswald. Bring a light rack for a couple quality gear moderates as well (if you're into that sort of thing). Idk about the Red. I'm with Mike. Never been, it's an additional 4 hours for me, and there's too much at the NRG left undone for me. Good luck and have fun.

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By Doug S
Jul 7, 2014
Edge of Time
da toz wrote:
an area thats got some easy lines (dragging along someone that has never stepped on rock before) and some classics, shade is a plus.


Without a doubt Orange Oswald is awesome, but it has just one easy bolt line (hippie dreams 5.7) and little shade.

Bubba City, Sandstonia would be better IMO. More easies and shade. There will be a crowd at either spot.

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By Dylan Randall
From Paul Smiths, NY
Jul 8, 2014
Ian's Favorite Problem
+1 for the Bruise Bros Wall at the Red. It can get crowded but it has the highest concentration of moderates (5.7 and up) in the area, and they are all in extremely close proximity to one another.

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By Chris Whisenhunt
Administrator
From Fayetteville, WV
Jul 8, 2014
Flailing at the top of Welcome to Crowders
Go to Summersville. Don't waste your time on the routes at Bubba City, it's a bad representation of the New. Take your friend down to Orange Oswald wall and you can warm up there. Narcissus is right there near the OO wall, it's an overhanging 12a with all fixed gear. Head back towards the car and stop at Satisfaction Guaranteed 11b, Under the Milky Way 11d, and then head over to the Coliseum for Reckless Abandon 12a, and a lot of harder lines. After that run and jump off of the diving board rock in the coliseum and swim climber's left to some easy DWS lines. Head over to Pies & Pints for pizza and beer, Secret Sandwich Society for sandwiches and beer, or DiOGiS for carnitas and margaritas.

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Jul 8, 2014
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
Doug S wrote:
Without a doubt Orange Oswald is awesome, but it has just one easy bolt line (hippie dreams 5.7) and little shade. Bubba City, Sandstonia would be better IMO. More easies and shade. There will be a crowd at either spot.


That Eight, Jeff's Bunny Hop, and others. There is way more than just one "easy bolt line" and they're all good. As far as shade... who needs it? Wear some sunblock and dive in the clear, cool Summersville lake if you get hot. The routes at Bubba City- I assume you're referring to Tattoo Wall and Beer Wall (which are about a mile apart from each other and have different approaches to each unless you hit one and follow the cliff to the other- doable but not a ton of fun) are of a lesser quality than what's at Summersville- like Chris said. The only exceptions are the two long 5.8s: Geisha Girl and Mrs. Field's Follies. At Summersville, you will hit everything climbable for the neophytes in your group on the way to and at Orange Oswald as well as stuff for the seasoned veteran to enjoy. As far as crowds, by and large, climbers are a lazy bunch- especially the cragging variety. Get to the parking lot by 7 and you'll have first pick of anything you want to get on. 89% of the time I guarantee this will be the case 100% of the time. Shade indeed.

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By courthouse
Jul 20, 2014
Here is some advice, don't go to either location.
The New is polluted (notice there are no gardens in anyone's yard?) the mining has polluted the the ground water with lead and mercury and it is legal to drain your septic directly into local rivers (if your house is less than three bedrooms)
Both areas are like a hot humid hillbilly jungle of sport posers and wanna be's.
Real climbers go the mountains and alpine climb when it's hot in the south.

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By Woodchuck ATC
Jul 20, 2014
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008
Hey Courthouse,,!!,,,no kicking us for the humid weather in summers down here! Advice for the Red...DO go, do stay at Miguel's if just for the wonderful social experience and best pizza you will ever taste in your life. Do go to Muir Valley for climbing,,,,they have added several new areas and routes for the 5.7 to 5.9 climber. New shaded trails, bathrooms down on the valley floor, an emergency radio and rescue system set up in place, with the best land owners you could ever have with private climbing property,,,and are often there to greet you in their parking lot early in the morning most weekends.
Not sure of your time frame for either or both,,but if you can manage to be at the Red for the weekend of August 15-17th,, you will be witness to the now famous Gorge Cup basketball game,,,which is played once a year between climber-players from the RRG vs. the NRG. It's at Miguels, home court advantage this year. Pics and coverage were in DPM mag to show how big this event is....and you will get to meet some New River climbers who come over that weekend. Get the beta right from them,,then head out to WV next if you decide to try out the New.

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By Antonio Caligiuri
From Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Jul 20, 2014
Approaching the anchors on Eclipse (5.6) at Breakn...
Mostly everything has been covered, at the New definitely go to Orange Oswald. I believe there are also a couple good moderates spaced throughout Long Wall which is on the approach to Oswald. At the Red, definitely check out Bruise Brothers wall and on your way make a quick detour to the Land Before Time wall, which I do not believe is in the guidebooks but has a bunch of shorter moderates that will be good first routes for your friend.

mountainproject.com/v/land-bef...

EDIT: Sandstonia (at the New) has some good routes under 10a but not quite as concentrated and a fairly long approach that is, IMO, not worth it if you are only there for a couple days. If you stay longer than that and have already had a day or two at Oswald, then definitely check it out.

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By BrianWS
Jul 20, 2014
For the New:
Zero Buttress at the Meadow has becoming very popular due to a number of decent easy sport routes.
Sandstonia at Bubba City is definitely worth the hike if you want plenty of tall (sometimes near 100ft) bolted routes that are 10- or easier.
Bridge Buttress and Junkyard have easy top access, which may be an even better option if you want to maximize the number of 5.singledigit climbs on your trip.

If you're going to hit Summersville, go to Ray's Campground in Hico. Awesome owners, plenty of space, and nice bathrooms/showers.

For areas closer to the bridge, stay at Chestnut or the AAC campground.

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By courthouse
Jul 20, 2014
Yes, Miguel's pizza is kick ass pie!

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By Cultivating Mass
Jul 20, 2014
Leading on the only "fair means" rack.
Too bad there's not snow on it! Rrrrrrrr!

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By Steve Jones
Jul 20, 2014
on belay
courthouse wrote:
Yes, Miguel's pizza is kick ass pie!

Sorry Courthouse, but it's not even close to Pies and Pints in Fayetteville.

Some easier lines now in the shade (especially morning shade) on Summersville Lake at the Lost World. Not as classic as Orange Oswald, but not crowded either.

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By Cultivating Mass
Jul 21, 2014
Leading on the only "fair means" rack.
Steve, it has been quite a while since I've visited either, and Pies and Pints definitely has dope beer and pizza, but in an objective, real world comparison, no fucking way is Miguel's getting trounced in a side-by-side blind taste test. I think bias is showing here. I love both areas, and you can argue pluses and minuses on different qualities of stone, route, setting, etc, but Miguel Ventura does for climbing area pizza what the Hitachi did for 'female hysteria' back in the dark days before porn and the internet. Write that down.

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By Steve Jones
Jul 22, 2014
on belay
Good idea, Zapp. Maybe we should add blind pizza tasting to the basketball game. I'll suggest that to Kenny. Regarding the hysteria treatment, you're on your own there.

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By S. Neoh
Jul 23, 2014
Orange Oswald wall can get really hot and there is little shade.
I liked Sandstonia. The hike in is not bad at all. I had a wonderful day in the Fall climbing a high number of .10c and below routes there.

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Jul 23, 2014
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
Don't forget Area 51 and The Other Place. Not as many easy routes (5.7/5.8) but lots of moderates and you're almost guaranteed to have the place to yourself now that road access isn't allowed. Long walk in, but probably worth it.

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