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By M Sprague
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From New England
Jan 22, 2013
Lichen head. Me, with my usual weatherbeaten, lichen covered look from scrubbing a new route.

Seeing the story going around in the news news.discovery.com/human/evolution/surrogate-mother-wanted-n>>>
How do you think a Neanderthal baby’s chances of being a good climber would be? I would think they would be very good. They were very strong and probably had quick reflexes
I could totally see this guy fitting in at the crag, or even more at the boulder field.

Any adventurous climbing women out there?


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By David Sahalie
From on the road again
Jan 22, 2013




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By rogerbenton
Jan 22, 2013
Whoever this guy is, he's just plain irresponsible.

cavemen probly have a sick ape index.


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By John Franck
From Huntersville N.C.
Jan 22, 2013

The Neanderthal does have Sharma's hair style.


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By Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Jan 22, 2013
At the BRC

I remember reading somewhere that Neanderhals had better procedural memory than H sapiens, that is their non-verbal movement skills were more advanced. Conclusion was based on their skill manufacturing stone tools. I also recall that there is a small but finite amount of Neanderthal DNA in modern human genomes. Maybe more in some climbers than others?


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By nicelegs
From Denver
Jan 22, 2013

With a larger than human cranial capacity, a neanderthal would probably be smart enough to either get a job or find an activity that pays more than climbing.


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By berl
From Oregon
Jan 22, 2013

huber brothers.


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By TWK
Jan 23, 2013

They likely had the temperament and weren't risk adverse. I recall a NatGeo article reporting a high correlation of the types of injuries seen on Neanderthal skeletal remains with those typically sustained by modern rodeo riders.


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By Kirby
From DC
Jan 25, 2013

I think this is pretty relevant:

High-pitch voiced Neanderthals on BBC


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By Gunkiemike
Jan 25, 2013

"5.12...so easy even a caveman can do it"


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By Benjamin A Gappa
From Chicago, Illinois
Jan 25, 2013

Mark E Dixon wrote:
I remember reading somewhere that Neanderhals had better procedural memory than H sapiens, that is their non-verbal movement skills were more advanced. Conclusion was based on their skill manufacturing stone tools. I also recall that there is a small but finite amount of Neanderthal DNA in modern human genomes. Maybe more in some climbers than others?


I wouldn't necessarily jump to that conclusion right away. Homo sapien neanderthalensis was adapted to the climate of Europe so modern European populations exhibit more genetic similarities to our closest ancestors. According to a NOVA doc I watched recently they said African populations had <1% genetic similarity, Asian populations had 1-2% and European populations had around 3% (www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/decoding-neanderthals.html)

Also according to that doc most of the genetic traits we homo sapien sapiens picked up from neanderthals were the specialty immune systems for Europe.

So it makes sense that Europeans would have immune systems better adapted to their climate.

I didn't mean to get all over-intellectual and rambling on your musings, I just wanted to point out that it'd be a dangerous road to walk down claiming neanderthal DNA could make a better climber because it would basically be tantamount to saying Europeans (read: white people) are better climbers.


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By Woodchuck ATC
Jan 25, 2013
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008

I say he has the look of a great 'rope gun' written all over his face.


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By Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Jan 25, 2013
At the BRC

Benjamin A Gappa wrote:
I just wanted to point out that it'd be a dangerous road to walk down claiming neanderthal DNA could make a better climber because it would basically be tantamount to saying Europeans (read: white people) are better climbers.


Wow, I guess I am Mr Insensitive after all!

Anyway we all know that European climbers suck, esp Ondra, Steck, etc.


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By M Sprague
Administrator
From New England
Jan 25, 2013
Lichen head. Me, with my usual weatherbeaten, lichen covered look from scrubbing a new route.

I think this is pretty relevant: High-pitch voiced Neanderthals on BBC

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Oh my God! You think it is bad now? Imagine a crowded crag with everyone speaking like that. Ladies, please don't incubate any Neanderthal kids.


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