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By Ryan N
From Lone Tree, Colorado
Apr 2, 2013
RJN

Interesting format. Just got an email inviting me to Mountian projects new web site mtb project. Kinda strange that their branching out of the climbing realm, but refuse to add things like high/long lining to areas, or kayaking, or the many other activities that MP users participate in. Seems like an admin has a soft spot for Mountian biking...


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By David Appelhans
From Lafayette
Apr 2, 2013
Imaginate

yeah, he created a whole site for it. The suggestions in the past have been to turn MP into outdoor things I like to do and that isn't quite the same. They didn't add mtn biking to MP, they made a whole other site and invited people to it. You can go ahead and make a kayaking site or highlining site, I'm on MP for climbing and the decision has been not to make it more general outdoor activities.


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By Wyatt H
From Casper, Wy
Apr 2, 2013

Got a very very long way to go to compete with MTBR and singletracks. Why even put forth the effort when there's already great comprehensive sites that are firmly established?


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By Tom-o Sapien
Apr 3, 2013
Conky and I confront Patrick Swayze

If MTBP provides a free database of routes/trails/conditions I'm all for it.
You have to pay to use the full singletracks site in order to print copies of their maps and they are not all that.
I can see it now;
Trails of the moment, Destinations, Partners, Curent trail conditions with updates.
Throwing in a 'free wheeling forum' to provide the opportunity to bash bumbling nOObs just starting another sport would be beneficial to our society as a whole IMHO.


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By Nick Wilder
Site Landlord
From The Bubble
Apr 3, 2013
Personal Photo

I might as well post the official link:
www.mtbproject.com/

And a favorite ride that I just put together:
www.mtbproject.com/trail/290187/kokopelli-loops-marys-horset>>>


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By Tom-o Sapien
Apr 3, 2013
Conky and I confront Patrick Swayze

Nick,
I just visited the site and boy are my palms gettin sweaty and my hearts starting to flutter! Any way to create a login apart from facebook and similar to MP?
Am I the only one who's tired of facebook controlling our thoughts?
Crap, did I say that out loud?


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By Ryan N
From Lone Tree, Colorado
Apr 3, 2013
RJN

I'm not hating on the idea, it's just I ride a road bike. Getting shafted again...


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By Nick Wilder
Site Landlord
From The Bubble
Apr 3, 2013
Personal Photo

Sorry, but Facebook is it for now if you want/need an account. You could consider creating a Facebook login with an alias, and don't post or make any friends. It's a super useful way to log in to so many sites now.


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By michaeltarne
Apr 3, 2013

Wyatt H wrote:
Got a very very long way to go to compete with MTBR and singletracks. Why even put forth the effort when there's already great comprehensive sites that are firmly established?

If they manage to keep the content quality where it is now I can tell you it will ably compete. MTBR forums are great, but the trail reviews are meh. Singletracks has good trail info, but costs money. If they do an MTB Project app there will be no competition.


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By wankel7
From Indiana
Apr 3, 2013

Nick Wilder wrote:
Sorry, but Facebook is it for now if you want/need an account. You could consider creating a Facebook login with an alias, and don't post or make any friends. It's a super useful way to log in to so many sites now.


Considering how the website won't grow nationally without user contributions it should be as accessible as possible. I am not going to make a fake Facebook page to add content.


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By MacM
From Cave Creek/Preskitt, AZ
Apr 3, 2013
3rd Day in JTree

Ryan N wrote:
I'm not hating on the idea, it's just I ride a road bike. Getting shafted again...

Hey Ryan,

You can still use Strava. It is basically the same thing to find "segments."
(If you don't know what Strava is... strava.com would be a great place to start.)

-Mac


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By John Hegyes
From Las Vegas, NV
Apr 3, 2013
South of Windy Peak

Good luck, Nick, it really looks awesome! I'm sure it will turn out great.


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By Brian Hudson
From Greenville, SC
Apr 3, 2013
Valor Over Discretion (5.8), RRG

Wyatt H wrote:
Why even put forth the effort when there's already great comprehensive sites that are firmly established?

Imagine if Google had said the same thing. Then we wouldn't have awesome things like Google+...oh...wait...I retract my previous statement.

I don't ride mountain bikes, but the site looks nice. I'll pass it on to some rider friends.


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By Nick K
From Somerville, MA
Apr 3, 2013

Nick Wilder wrote:
Sorry, but Facebook is it for now if you want/need an account. You could consider creating a Facebook login with an alias, and don't post or make any friends. It's a super useful way to log in to so many sites now.


I ride mountain bikes, have a pretty good selection of gps tracks of northeastern trails, and a facebook account, and I won't join MTBProject until I can have a separate login.

I'd be super stoked about the site otherwise, mountain bike information on the 'net right now is crazy fragmented and often a pain in the ass to find (singletracks and MTBR are not very good sites). A Mountain Project style database will be great to have, but not if I have to login to it with my Facebook account. Facebook is for Facebook, and other site logins are for other sites. I have no interest, want, or need for cross pollination between them.

Just to give another voice to the "please don't make us login with facebook" camp.


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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Apr 3, 2013
Epic free solo with a pack on

If for no other reason than to deny facebook their desired ubiquity, another vote for a separate login. Not everyone trusts facebook, and I cannot stand the linking of website logins, and unilateral "likes" or other facebook actions. I, like Nick K, would join sites like this only if a separate login were provided.

I like the idea, though.


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By Jeff Thilking
From Knoxville, TN
Apr 3, 2013
Rap

Tom-O wrote:
Nick, I just visited the site and boy are my palms gettin sweaty and my hearts starting to flutter! Any way to create a login apart from facebook and similar to MP? Am I the only one who's tired of facebook controlling our thoughts? Crap, did I say that out loud?


I definately second this. Facebook is horrible and full of adds.


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By RockinOut
From NY, NY
Apr 3, 2013
Gear

Sorry, but I wont be contributing to the MTB site until I can use something other than Facebook. Cant we just carry over our MP credentials if you already have them here shouldnt they work on that site as well? Steepandcheap.com, Whiskeymilitia.com, Chainlove.com, and Backcountry.com all use your same credential because it makes sense.


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By Nick Wilder
Site Landlord
From The Bubble
Apr 3, 2013
Personal Photo

Okay, we'll have a non-Facebook login by tonight.


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By darrell hodges
Apr 3, 2013

Sounds like a great idea...so long as noone posts my secret singletrack stash on there..


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By Tom-o Sapien
Apr 3, 2013
Conky and I confront Patrick Swayze

Ryan N wrote:
I'm not hating on the idea, it's just I ride a road bike. Getting shafted again...


Ryan,
Diane and I loved to roll the skinnies around town. But here in el paso county those in control never seem to spend any of our tax monies on asphalt. Also, the amount of rude, dangerous, and offensive drivers in this town has grown exponentially. We feel much safer riding with the rattlesnakes, mountain lions, bears, skunks, & illegal pot growers in the national forest than we do cruising around town.
When we ride, we announce "On your left!" or ding a little bell when passing other trail users so as not to startle them. I wish others would be as thoughfull, but mankind has successfully bred this attribute out of the gene pool.

Pedestrians and equestrians always have the right of way.
Riders should dismount when approaching horses so as not to spook the animal into bucking off the often helmetless rider.
The rider ascending the slope has right of way over your downhill speed run.
Control your speed, avoid skidding or riding wet trails to prevent erosion.
Avoid braiding trails and keep the track tight for others to enjoy!

Sad about the facebook issue. Unfortunately, I will not contribute to the MTBP site until there is another option for login.


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By Jon Bitter
From Waco, Tx
Apr 3, 2013
spring skiing at the bird

Nick Wilder wrote:
Okay, we'll have a non-Facebook login by tonight.



^^ This is why MTB Project will have no trouble attracting users away from singletracks and MTBR. User opinion matters... plus, the site looks fantastic.


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By Mark Lewis
From Salt Lake City, Utah
Apr 3, 2013

I'd join the site and contribute to its content, but not as long as a facebook account is required. If that requirement ever changes send out another email notifying all of us anti-facebook peeps.


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By Nick K
From Somerville, MA
Apr 3, 2013

Nick Wilder wrote:
Okay, we'll have a non-Facebook login by tonight.



Awesome! Thanks for listening!


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By Ian Stewart
Apr 3, 2013

Nick, ping us once you have the non-FB login and I'll create an account immediately. I've never been a fan of the existing MTB sites and this looks freaking great.


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By Ian Stewart
Apr 3, 2013

Wyatt H wrote:
Why even put forth the effort when there's already great comprehensive sites that are firmly established?


The existing sites aren't that great, and even if they were it doesn't mean they can't be done better.


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By Tom-o Sapien
Apr 3, 2013
Conky and I confront Patrick Swayze

Ian Stewart wrote:
The existing sites aren't that great, and even if they were it doesn't mean they can't be done better.

Perfect, Ian!
This really has the potential to be the best mountain biking info site period.

Cudos to all the creators!


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