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By soulagent
From Las Vegas
Jul 3, 2008

Are there any moderate (7's, 8's, 9's) routes up at charleston? I haven't been there in about 8 years. Any recent guidebooks?


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By Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
Jul 3, 2008
Growing a winter coat in Red Rock Canyon- December 2013.

There are a few up at Charleston in that range.

The guidebook ISLANDS IN THE SKY has a lot of Charleston routes in it.


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By meo
Jul 3, 2008
Flower of High Ranking (Suicide)CA

Very few.
Mary Jane Wall, Yellow Pine Cliff


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By Darren in Vegas
From Las Vegas, NV
Jul 12, 2012
Skiing around.

The link to Amazon.com shows the book at over $90. It is $26 at REI, I'm not sure what Desert Rock Sports charges, but I would guess a similar price.

The main drawback to this book is that it is terribly out of date. There are so many new climbs since its publication.


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By Zappatista
Jul 12, 2012
Book me, officer.

Handren will have the new one done in time, yeah don't buy some fuct used copy for epic cash, just pick up a copy locally (easy). The Rockfax guide is well done if dated at this point.

Charleston has development happening but most of it hasn't grabbed me as really worthy stuff. Visited a new cliff recently that will be posted up soon by the FA guys that's pretty fun and that's about it for my last couple of years up there-I should point out that way sharp slabby rock doesn't interest me too much, though, and the Robber's Roost/Hood scenes are toxic and annoying. Still have tons of fun every time I get out to Santo Horhay to rock the limestone, I think that if you're looking for moderates, that's a way better spot, and the locals tend to be friendlier and more psyched to share info and space. The harder routes tend to be less manufactured (in some cases, anyway) and have more interesting movement, also. There's so much variety there, I never get tired of it.

One of these days Charleston might deserve a magazine writeup again, but as long as the new stuff is supersecret rarely climbed (read:still way crunchy) multipitch that info isn't getting shared on, and scruffy little slab routes unsuitable for anyone aware of Red Rock down the road, it's pretty well covered by the Sky guide and MP. There are still hard routes happening here and there but not without 1980's southern France ethics from what I've seen.

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By Darren in Vegas
From Las Vegas, NV
Jul 12, 2012
Skiing around.

The Dread Pirate Killis wrote:
Robber's Roost/Hood scenes are toxic and annoying. Still have tons of fun every time I get out to Santo Horhay to rock the limestone, I think that if you're looking for moderates, that's a way better spot, and the locals tend to be friendlier and more psyched to share info and space. This thread sponsored by: The Walking Dead. Bringing back threads from the dead and watching them walk around eating brains since 2011.

Mostafa brought this thread back and then deleted his post, I was responding to that. However, Killis is right, don't come to the Roost or the Hood, the routes suck, the people suck, the scenery sucks, definitely go to St. George....and take Killis with you.


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By Zappatista
Jul 12, 2012
Book me, officer.

It's all Mo's fault, then. Damn you, you, you....MO!

Please take me to Saint George with you. This town is full of people who have to buy their butthurt cream and pink Kleenex at Costco on double pallets. Apparently they congregate at Chiselton when they're not busy saving the world from Doctor Octopus or whatever the cool kids are doing these days.

Las Vegas=town where people take things so seriously, they REALLY take things seriously. Really. Seriously.


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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Jul 13, 2012

For some actual information, one might check the Walla Wall wall and the Starter Wall on this site for a good selection of newish and decent moderates.


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By Zappatista
Jul 19, 2012
Book me, officer.

Yes, Walla Walla Wall is an excellent example of how gym rats can find an established cliff, rap-bolt in a bunch more hardware to lower the commitment standards of the already existing routes, and then not mention the pre-existing hardware when they let you know about "their" "rad" "new routes".

The Hamlet looks better than Walla, and the Hamlet reminds me of the results of dysentery.

The other cliff I haven't been to and reserve comment on.


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By Derek Huff
Jul 19, 2012

The Dread Pirate Killis wrote:
Yes, Walla Walla Wall is an excellent example of how gym rats can find an established cliff, rap-bolt in a bunch more hardware to lower the commitment standards of the already existing routes, and then not mention the pre-existing hardware when they let you know about "their" "rad" "new routes". The Hamlet looks better than Walla, and the Hamlet reminds me of the results of dysentery. The other cliff I haven't been to and reserve comment on.


This guy is SO butthurt!


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By Zappatista
Jul 19, 2012
Book me, officer.

My butt hurts. Well played.


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