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By FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Feb 3, 2013
matt davies wrote:
In descending order of importance: chicks, Thurston Howell III, people on the internet, Mrs. White (my third grade English teacher), the editors at Roget's, Barack Obama



Matt,

I like your sense of humor and writing style. Keep up the good work.

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Feb 3, 2013
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.
Holy fucking jumped-up Jesus.

Three pages for this. Matt, don't ever leave MP. I think a little bit of piss squirts out every time you trounce a trog with your vocab.

FIVE GOT-DAMN SECONDS TO CHECK A MUHFUHKIN KNOT?

sweet.
sweet.

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By Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Feb 3, 2013
At the BRC
matt davies wrote:
I am not made of stone, sir. When cut, I bleed as blue as anyone, and you have cut me, sir, and I have bled. Your words, common as they are, have caused me to plumb the deepest depths of my well-worn copy of Roget's, and yet I have no multi-syllabic word that can adequately express the chagrin I registered at the realization that my verbal grandiosity had rendered me a tool, a douche, and a pretentious fool in the eyes of an esteemed anonymous poster on a climbing website. While not entirely unexpected, to see it in poorly formed incomplete sentences with rampant misspellings of common words in a forum about the moral implications of climbing knot inspection really illuminated the folly of my undertaking. Henceforth, I pledge to reduce my syllable limit to two, and I shall cavalierly ignore the pleading entreaties of the built-in spell check to properly arrange the letters in my words to represent actual English sentiments. I shall adopt the language proper to a climbing forum and scatter commas with no regard to the thoughts they are separating, and I shall use it's when I really mean its, as apostrophes will cease to matter to denote possession v. plurality, or whatever the hell they do. These things I will do reluctantly and at great personal cost, but I shall do them nonetheless for I see now colloquial renditions of the word "rappel", as repelling as I might find them, are more appropriate for this venue. Thank you for illustrating the error of my most pretentious ways, and for instilling in me the proper disrespect of language that this forum warrants, nay, demands. I shall conclude this writ of contrition with an emblem common to these communiques, which I am informed conveys both empathy and mirth. ;)


Hear, hear!
I say carry on old chap, never capitulate to the caviling of lesser intellects.

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By matt davies
Feb 3, 2013
To the gallant aficionados of MP satire:
Thank you for your kindness and support. As deeply as I was wounded by the scathing criticism of a guy who registered yesterday under the brilliantly anonymous moniker of "RocksClimbing", I now feel it is my duty to carry on my storied tradition of pretentious douche toolery. I shall continue to contribute snarky admonitions of not only grammar and tense, but spelling and possessives as well. If you seek the answer to an implied query, and "beg the question"- watch out.
Consider this missive a harbinger of toungue-in-cheek serio-comic critiques yet to come- no one is safe, be they rope soloists, PAS inquisitors, or hipsters trying to find a pant tough enough to thrutch the West Chimney, yet ironic enough to wear to Liquor Mart for cases of PBR. (I recommend Dickies).

All clowning aside, sincere prayers and positive vibes to the injured climber. We are a diminutive tribe and love and care for any wounded warrior is amplified by individual sincerity and genuine concern. Jah bless you all!

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By RockyMtnTed
Feb 3, 2013
matt davies wrote:
To the gallant aficionados of MP satire: Thank you for your kindness and support. As deeply as I was wounded by the scathing criticism of a guy who registered yesterday under the brilliantly anonymous moniker of "RocksClimbing", I now feel it is my duty to carry on my storied tradition of pretentious douche toolery. I shall continue to contribute snarky admonitions of not only grammar and tense, but spelling and possessives as well. If you seek the answer to an implied query, and "beg the question"- watch out. Consider this missive a harbinger of toungue-in-cheek serio-comic critiques yet to come- no one is safe, be they rope soloists, PAS inquisitors, or hipsters trying to find a pant tough enough to thrutch the West Chimney, yet ironic enough to wear to Liquor Mart for cases of PBR. (I recommend Dickies). All clowning aside, sincere prayers and positive vibes to the injured climber. We are a diminutive tribe and love and care for any wounded warrior is amplified by individual sincerity and genuine concern. Jah bless you all!


Did anyone bother to read that?

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By matt davies
Feb 3, 2013
RockyMtnTed wrote:
Did anyone bother to read that?

No.

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By John Herreshoff
From Ann Arbor, MI
Feb 5, 2013
RockyMtnTed wrote:
Don't pilots and co pilots have a double checked flight sheet before they take off? They must just be lazy and not want to accept personal responsibility... hahaha


We do lots more than double check things, and to most people the level of redundancy we practice is overkill. But one of the fundmental truths to life is that we are what we do repeatedly and thus, "perfection is a habit," so I always run my checks, every single flight. Do I know i set the flaps for takeoff? Sure, but we check it twice by ourselves, twice with a checklist, and twice with the backup system because the consequences are too dire to make that mistake. There's only one knot, one rope, one harness, and one belay device keeping me from death, and I'm going to double check them all, then my partner will do the same.

Oh and the flaps? This is what happens when you succeed at that stupid pilot trick:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwes...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanair_...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lufthans...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAPA_Fli...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Ai...

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By EricSchmidt
Feb 5, 2013
^Exactly. Thats why I i agree with everyone else thats its comical climbers cant be bothered to double check eachother. Its not that I am not taking responsibility for my knot but if you and your partner both check it the chance of screwing up is alot less. Plus it takes 2 seconds. How lazy are you guys?

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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
Feb 5, 2013
modern man
EricSchmidt wrote:
^Exactly. Thats why I i agree with everyone else thats its comical climbers cant be bothered to double check eachother. Its not that I am not taking responsibility for my knot but if you and your partner both check it the chance of screwing up is alot less. Plus it takes 2 seconds. How lazy are you guys?


really lazy. It must be the evil selfish Darwinist in me deep inside.

truth be told I check n00bs, I check my own knot(usually 20-30' up), I check the belayer and I check really stoned partners but other than that YOUR GONNA DIE.

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By handsndirt
Apr 7, 2013
To all of those interested in what happened or in helping with my recovery as I have no insurance and am responsible for my injuries and surgery out of pocket feel free to check out or share my website:

www.giveforward.com/climbforcourage

where you can read my story, donate to my recovery, or leave me a hug

love and light
Amanda <--- the one who fell 45 feet and broke both legs at momentum climbing gym
me, my dog, and 2 broken legs
me, my dog, and 2 broken legs

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Apr 7, 2013
Colonel Mustard
Good luck with your recovery! That's got to be rough, but I'm sure you will get through it. Crazy to have your biggest whipper be a grounder!

Also, please pay no regard to the emotionally stunted tool bags who post their negative drivel here, I doubt they even know what they're saying.

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By zoso
Apr 7, 2013
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Happy healing Amanda.

Let me get something straight though. I understand you are suing Momentum for this accident?

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By Allen Sanderson
From Oootah
Apr 7, 2013
Stairway To Heaven - all the way to the Pearly Gates <br />(i.e. 10 pitches to the tram station)
While I wish those who have suffered injuries a speedy and successful recovery I have to ask WTF are people thinking when participating in recreational activities that have risk of injury yet have no insurance. This latest accident is just one of many over the past few years where I have seen where someone has been injured seriously but had zero insurance and now have the nerve to set up an online fund set up so people can pay for their care.

What happened to personal responsibility? I am not talking about people who are making a decision between food on the table or a roof over their head and buying health insurance. That is a different case. Nor am I talking someone getting in an accident on their way to a job that pays little with no insurance. But people actively participating in recreational activities that carry a risk of injury.

Catastrophic insurance can go a long ways. I used to carry a policy while in school and eating lots of ramen. It did not cover little boo-boos but it did cover the real ah-shits. Regardless of what activity (some have limitations so shop carefully).

Carry on with the belayer - climber responsibility issue.

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By tenesmus
Apr 7, 2013
zoso wrote:
Happy healing Amanda. Let me get something straight though. I understand you are suing Momentum for this accident?

wait. huh?

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By Tom Hore
Apr 7, 2013
WOW a law suit against the MO? Why stop there? Why not just take a bad fall at Division and bring a suit against the Feds? They got deeper pockets than the MO. I would say take a fall in Zion, but I think the whole sequester thing has dipped into the National Park System budget.

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Apr 7, 2013
Colonel Mustard
Tom Hore wrote:
WOW a law suit against the MO? Why stop there? Why not just take a bad fall at Division and bring a suit against the Feds? They got deeper pockets than the MO. I would say take a fall in Zion, but I think the whole sequester thing has dipped into the National Park System budget.


Was anything even confirmed or are you just free styling here?

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By Austin Baird
From SLC, Utah
Apr 7, 2013
Me scaring years off my mom's life
Fair question - if you're planning on suing Momentum, I don't think you have much right to ask climbers to chip in to your medical bills.

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By codrew
From Wheat Ridge, CO
Apr 7, 2013
Dappled Mare - JTree
So Momentum is responsible for a climbers' failure to tie their own knot? Interesting.

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Apr 8, 2013
Colonel Mustard
abqdrew wrote:
So Momentum is responsible for a climbers' failure to tie their own knot? Interesting.


First, it would be interesting to get that to stick with the waivers signed, knowingly engaging in a dangerous sport, etc., etc..

Second, is there confirmation she is in fact suing?

Third, I recently met an employee of Momentum while climbing at Red Rock. She seemed nice.

That is all.

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By notmyname
From Stony Brook, NY
Apr 8, 2013
re: insurance statement. I absolutely agree. However, I would point out that going to a climbing gym is hardly a dangerous activity. This is more of a freak accident. I also got the feeling of shirking personal responsibility from the website. Should'a had a bit more remorse and self-appologetic tone. Definately didn't help being written in a 3rd person voice, and the B.S. about the knot "somehow" becoming undone. Correctly tied figure-8s do not untie. Even a partially finished fig-8 would hold weight.

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By Boissal
From Small Lake, UT
Apr 8, 2013
Colonel Mustard wrote:
Third, I recently met an employee of Momentum while climbing at Red Rock. She seemed nice. That is all.

Preposterous.

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By John D
Apr 8, 2013
From her donation website, "She has accrued more than 68,000 USD in medical bills thus far and like most young Americans is uninsured."

I'm not sure that most young Americans are uninsured, but it's sure not a good idea not to be. I had insurance for most of my 20's, I did have a few months here and there that I was between policies, but I always thought the risk of being without insurance was worse than paying the premiums. Especially considering I had a climbing accident with a total bill of $125,000 when I was 20. Fortunately I only ended up pay $5000 out of pocket, which still took me several years of dealing with collections and billing offices to get it paid off.

my advice to amanda, honestly if it were me, I'd probably declare bankruptcy and start over, but short of that, if you make good faith payments, even if they're $5 a month, I don't think they can turn you over to collection agencies so start mailing $5 checks and keep mailing $5 checks. If/when you can pay more, do it but for now, do what you can to keep them off your back and to convince them that you do intend to pay. At some point you'll both come to an agreement that will satisfy the debt.

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By CJC
Apr 8, 2013
really sorry this happened to you. and I wish you a speedy and complete recovery. I've been there and it's a long road back.

but what's up with joining this community just to hold your hand out?

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By Allen Sanderson
From Oootah
Apr 8, 2013
Stairway To Heaven - all the way to the Pearly Gates <br />(i.e. 10 pitches to the tram station)
notmyname wrote:
However, I would point out that going to a climbing gym is hardly a dangerous activity.


My comment was more of a general comment not specific to this case. As I wrote this incident was just one of many that have occurred over the past couple of years - not just with climbers but with others. The bottom line is that the activity was a recreational.

notmyname wrote:
... This is more of a freak accident.


handsndirt wrote:
When Amanda climbed to the top of her fourth route for the day she asked to come down. At this time she watched her rope slip through her harness and fall to the ground. Somehow, her rope knot had come untied during her climb to the top.


I would not call it a freak accident. It was a fubar plain and simple. A freak accident is being stuck by lightening or being hit by rock fall. I took a bad fall when I first started climbing. It was not an accident, I fubar'ed. Fortunately, I walked away hamburger elbows. More over my parents knew I fubar'ed and made sure it did not reflect negatively on our climbing club.

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By mmcfarland
From Millcreek ,Ut
Apr 8, 2013
Accidents are always possible. That's why it's so important to have strong mentors and partners to help develop good safety habits.

I certainly send my best to the accident victim , and hope for a full recovery. It's no doubt a trying expieriance dealing with the financial burdens on top of the physical.

After visiting the fundraising site, I still have some questions. I didn't find anything about a lawsuit against the gym and hope that's not really happening. As a long time member I can attest to their commitment to safety. In the end however the safety is in the hands of the patron. If you've been tested on your knots and belaying, signed the waiver and then get hurt, it's generally a matter of personnel responsibility. Unless some unmentioned circumstances exist, in regards to faulty equipment or the like. According to the fundraiser site "...She watched her rope slip through her harness and fall to the ground. Somehow, her rope knot had come untied during her climb to the top.". That sounds like an issue of personnel negligence unless I'm missing something.

Again, I'm truly sorry for your ordeal. Hopefully it's a good lesson on double checking our setups for everybody reading. It's easy to get complacent when we do something on a regular basis. Especially in an environment like the gym, where the padded floors and pre- hung draws make the danger level feel very benign.

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