Mental training reading suggestions?

I have read Neuman and Goddard, Horst, Ilgner, some of Don Mcgraths work that he has shared/ongoing, Buddha, Osho, Lao Tse (Tzu), muir (yep, his awareness is unique), Hahn andTolle.

Im still reading these dudes but who do you read/follow/learn from? Do you have any suggestions? any new people (insights/points of view) not listed here that you have read?

Thank you.

Dave MacLeod's "9 out of 10 Climber's Make the Same Mistakes" has some good stuff. davemacleod.com/shop/9outof…

Spot on Chan Van. Thanks man. Totally new to me.

Enjoy.

2nd 9 Out of 10 climbers. Found myself nodding my head through most of that. As far as mental training goes, I dont really know of any climbing specific book that goes beyond 'be mindful of your surroundings'; no $hit.

thanks Ryan.

You would think with 33% of climbing being mental (33% technical and other 33% is physical according to Horsts book) there would be ALOT more on this.

Book of the Five Rings, Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Understand that reading something isn't going to all of a sudden make you brave, but remembering sage advice in times of duress definitely helps.

Awesome Josh. Thats also totally new to me, im checking it out.

I bought the Macleod book. looks like it could be useful (meaning new points of view, etc).

if you havent ever listened/read osho i highly recommend him (long term investment however)(www.oshoworld.com)

You might take a look at Arno's blog if you haven't already.

warriorsway.com/blog/

thanks Mark. I do follow Arno. I appreciate that he can take something complicated, simplify it and apply directly to the climbing experience.

I have not read his past posts though. That I will do. good suggestion, thanks.

I meant to ask what you meant by mental training anyway.
Arousal control, focus, sequence memory, fear management, visualization...?

Art of Power by Thich Nhat Hanh? More of a life-philosophy thing than climbing, but it would be at home with some of what you named.

The Rock Warrior's Way - Sounds like you have read it. It's been about 5 years for me, and I have been meaning to get it off the shelf and read it again.

Freedom of the Hills has a chapter on Safety that covers some good topics and actually gets into some of the mental aspects of climbing.

The Starship and the Canoe by Kenneth Brower and The River Why by David James Duncan are two of my all time favorite books. Not specifically related to climbing or mental training or anything like that. But, the characters and philosophies they follow are great, and the books are excellent reads as well. You mentioned Muir, and I have read some of his works too; these guys have a similar outlook.

Mark - everything you mentioned (fear management and arousal the most) plus I am VERY into understanding my ego, the collective ego, ego period (ultimately its the mind Im greatly interested in. mine, my chickens, dogs, all mind and its function, limitations and origins). motivation (understanding why especially), identification (within the mind), accecptance (why does accecptance work, why is there such a thing as accecptance in the universe, etc?) and transcendance of the mind are keywords if you will Im into.

Mark, If you have a suggestion, you cant go wrong. Im really also into genetics, physics, social sciences especially our connection with other humans and I ask the question "why?" to everything. Im an inquirer, I want to learn and experience.

Alicia - Ive read his "no death, no fear" (or vice versa) and I connected with him. I have not read your suggestion. Its going on the list for sure. Good suggestion!

thanks all.

Eugeneguy - nice! thanks. Im checking those out, if their like Muir(esque) then theres a solid chance Id be interested and could learn.

I mentioned this in one of your other threads but if you haven't read Deep Survival by Laurence Gonzalez you'd probably enjoy that.

I'd second the recommendation for Musashi's Book of Five Rings. Seems to be right up your alley based on some of the other stuff you've read. As he says there is just One Way and many arts.

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"top rope, top rope, I'm on top rope"

What other training would be needed?

The Sacred Path of the Warrior by Chogyam Trungpa. If you practice even a little of what he says in this book you will have a mind of steel on lead.

Stoned Master,

Have you listened to any of Alan Watts' lectures? Not climbing specific of course, but very enlightening.

Jeff Elison, a psych professor, and I are getting ready to release a new book on the psychology of high performance climbing, Vertical Mind, through Sharp End Publishing. You can read some snippits on my blog. masterrockclimber.com/maste…

Stay tuned...