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By s.price
From PS,CO
Jan 30, 2012
 Morning Dew ,self portrait

M Sprague wrote:
How so?

My question as well.


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By responsiblelines
Jan 30, 2012
Longs

You can go to the site and send the statement as it is, or modify it to make it your own. Some folks sent in some really awesome letters from the website today. From the take action page, it's set up to get emailed decision-makers at all levels, not just for the public comment EA WAPA staff see, but to folks that may be able to step in and really do something.

RMNP sunset as seen from ARNF across the Estes Valley Estes Park, CO Winter 2012 (click to enlarge).
RMNP sunset as seen from ARNF across the Estes Valley Estes Park, CO Winter 2012 (click to enlarge).

It helps to also mention where you're writing from: Ohio, West Virginia, Denver, California, New Jersey, everywhere. Over three million people come from all to Rocky Mountain National Park and Estes Park every year, and since this is a project that affects the National Forest and the foreground of RMNP, everyone has a say.

Take Action Here: responsiblelines.org/takeaction


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By JoeP
From Littleton, CO
Jan 30, 2012

@ Responsible Lines:

Was on your website and saw that under "Re-route Raises Questions" section, you set out a number of questions that you believe the public is entitled to. Your group seems quite organized, so I assume that you have already submitted a FOIA request. Yes?

While you may have attorneys already working on this, have you contacted the DU or CU law school environmental law clinics? May be good resources to get some man-hours drafting responses to the EA or any other aspects of the regulatory process.

Also, you refer to the Pew family as the owner of the ranch, as in Sunoco Oil and the Pew Family Charitable Trust? The Trust is a major donor to Colorado Public Radio/NPR. Given that CPR/NPR is a liberal leaning media source, it would stand to reason that it would be interested in such a story (but money is involved). Have any letters been sent to the local media?

BTW - submitted a custom letter the other day, and a letter to Senator Udall, who is on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee.


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By Umph!
Jan 31, 2012

Whaaaat??!! This is happening under the Democrat's watch? Say it ain't so. . . say it aint so.


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By responsiblelines
Jan 31, 2012
Longs

JoeP wrote:
@ Responsible Lines: Was on your website and saw that under "Re-route Raises Questions" section, you set out a number of questions....


Hi JoeP. Thanks for the awesome suggestions. Although the public comment period ends tomorrow, this is just the first chapter of what promises to be a real challenge. WAPA has been working on this project for two years now, yet the first public meeting wasn’t until just two short months ago. If all goes through as sited, they may begin construction Spring of 2012. This leaves little time, but we’re doing everything we can to shed light on this to get WAPA to withdraw this EA or get the USFS to timely decline the special use permit application WAPA needs to move forward.

Take Action Here: responsiblelines.org/takeaction

Your suggestions wil be taken to heart...


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By AJS
From Boulder, CO
Jan 31, 2012
In the sea of Cortez - Baja California, Mexico

Bump & submitted a letter


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Jan 31, 2012
Stabby

Umph! wrote:
Whaaaat??!! This is happening under the Democrat's watch? Say it ain't so. . . say it aint so.

Yeah. Seriously. Whats up with that? Defend your beloved Democrats inaction on this, Dergay.
And, WTF is up w/ zero media coverage about this? Like everything else involving money, they'll wait until its set in stone before the wailing and gnashing of teeth so they can pretend to still be legitimate.


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By Gokul
Jan 31, 2012
At the "summit"

Letter sent. Today is the last day, people.


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By Brian Tessier
From Lakehood, Colorado
Jan 31, 2012
mixed ice route <br />

Letter signed.


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By Jim Davidson
From Fort Collins, Colorado
Jan 31, 2012

Hi
I just wrote a personal email using the e-form from the link - took about 3 minutes. WARNING: we just had a VERY simialr "railroad the new electric lines through with little to no public input" event here in southwestern Fort Collins. By time the public caught wind of it, the power company said the comemnt period was closed, there was no more time, and the alternatives would have cost too much.. within a month, they were putting up new monstrous electrical towers - they have wrecked the viewscape for decades, and it is too late now.


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By JoeP
From Littleton, CO
Jan 31, 2012

According to WAPA documents, the draft EA will be completed by end of March then open to public comment in April through May 2012. Thus, today appears to be the close of the scoping period, where WAPA gathers information, comments, etc. for use in the EA.

See page 11 of the below link.

WADA Notice to Public

If those dates are no longer accurate, and the EA has already been prepared, I couldn't find it.

What I found interesting, is that the justification for use of the Hwy 36 corridor is ease of access, but the proposed reroute section south of Mount Pisgah and Crocker Ranch does not have any existing access roads, while the corridor through the Crocker Ranch has access roads within nearly the entire length of the corridor.

Map


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By responsiblelines
Jan 31, 2012
Longs

JoeP wrote:
What I found interesting, is that the justification for use of the Hwy 36 corridor is ease of access, but the proposed reroute section through south of Mount Pisgah (and Crocker Ranch) does not have any existing access roads, while the corridor through the Crocker Ranch has access roads within nearly the entire length of the corridor. Map


At the "public scoping" meeting on November, we were told that what we see on the ground doesn't exist, such as the clear cuts along the utility corridor. I stood at the map that showed a thick blue line covering the existing clear cuts. I pointed to it, and asked them why they didn't just use the existing line along the clear cuts (that can be seen for miles and even on Google earth). WAPA's Carey Ashton told me they didn't exist.

At both meetings, WAPA staff has completely omitted the fact that the USFS designated Utility Corridor even exists. They omitted the fact that they are actually seeking to establish another utility corridor. They've deliberately omitted critical information that the public needs to know.

As for the road along the utility corridor, it coincides with the original stage-coach road into Estes Park, dating back to 1877.
www.responsiblelines.org/estes-parks-most-practical-route-18>>>

WAPA is seeking to disregard federal law and disregard the USFS Designated Utility Corridor along the old road cut, clear cuts, and the established Estes-Flatiron line, all while the public has been left in the dark as to critical facts.

12 hours left to tell WAPA to use the route they have for the good of the public. After all, they're needlessly seeking new clear cuts, towers and lines, on public land. We should have a say.

Take Action here: www.responsiblelines.org/takeaction


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By responsiblelines
Jan 31, 2012
Longs

Jim Davidson wrote:
WARNING: we just had a VERY simialr "railroad the new electric lines through with little to no public input" event here in southwestern Fort Collins. By time the public caught wind of it, the power company said the comemnt period was closed, there was no more time, and the alternatives would have cost too much.. within a month, they were putting up new monstrous electrical towers - they have wrecked the viewscape for decades, and it is too late now.


To date, WAPA has not held an actual "Public Meeting". The first "open house" was held at the Senior Center. It was set up like a real estate open house with billboards and sales pitches, with no forum for public questions. After public resistance to the "open house", WAPA agreed to a second, highly moderated meeting, five miles outside of town at a retreat center and bible school. Even in the second meeting, WAPA failed to answer basic questions such as, "when does the public comment period (for purposes of the official public record) start and end?". To date, they have not answered. To this day WAPA has made no public record of the meeting questions, answers, or content, other than that there were sign-in sheets and billboards.

Here's a webpage put together specifically to address some information which raises serious questions about this proposed re-route.
www.responsiblelines.org/the-public-has-a-right-to-know


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By responsiblelines
Jan 31, 2012
Longs

To clarify: We wish no one harm, only that our public tax-payer dollars (Ben F's included) aren't needlessly wasted on a publicly damaging re-route.


These are public lands, tax-payer dollars, and the publicly owned Estes-Flatiron transmission lines. The project is being completed by a public agency under the DOE. We all have a right to say, the public will not sit idly by and watch WAPA accommodate private interests (see map) at the public's expense.

Time might not be on our side, but perhaps federal law and a few folks with a conscience will be. It’s been forums like this with real people writing in that make a difference.


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By Chad Koch
From Mission Hill,SD
Jan 31, 2012

Letter sent.


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By NickinCO
From colorado
Jan 31, 2012
after the hard stuff, into cruiser hands.

bump, had my wife sign and send also.


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By responsiblelines
Jan 31, 2012
Longs

Hi all. Thanks to all the 72 people who wrote in today alone. You're awesome!

There are 4 hours left in the comment period Let's shoot for 100!

Estes Park Scenic Turnout overlooking Lumpy Ridge and Rocky Mountain National Park where WAPA proposes this industrial scale project.  Towers and lines currently don't block this view (artist rendition).  They may unless we all stand up and write in.
Estes Park Scenic Turnout overlooking Lumpy Ridge and Rocky Mountain National Park where WAPA proposes this industrial scale project. Towers and lines currently don't block this view (artist rendition). They may unless we all stand up and write in.


Let's all tell them to withdraw plans for a re-route and rebuild along the USFS Designated Utility Corridor for the good of everyone.

The clear cuts and towers WAPA proposes cannot be undone, but they can be prevented.

WAPA's Public Comment period ends tonight, January 31st, 2012 @ midnight!

Take Action Here: www.responsiblelines.org/takeaction


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By JoeP
From Littleton, CO
Feb 1, 2012

Mike Lane wrote:
And, WTF is up w/ zero media coverage about this? Like everything else involving money, they'll wait until its set in stone before the wailing and gnashing of teeth so they can pretend to still be legitimate.


You got a crystal ball or what? 9News reported the story tonight and said "today is the last day for comment." More like, tonight is the last hours for comment...


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By responsiblelines
Feb 3, 2012
Longs

Thanks to everyone who wrote in from all over the country to request that WAPA withdraw the re-route, and rebuild the power line along the pre-existing clear-cuts within the USFS Designated Utility Corridor. WAPA's "public scoping" comment period closed on January 31st, 2012, and the USFS is the one agency who still has a say.

Now, It all hinges on the USFS...

The USFS can require WAPA to steer this project away from the public's scenic federal byways, overlooks, and the highly scenic public access trailhead, campgrounds, and recreational use areas of Roosevelt National Forest where no utility corridor exists.

Specifically, the Arapaho-Roosevelt National Forest, Canyon Lakes District Office in Fort Collins, CO has the power to deny WAPA's Special Use Permit application currently on file and require them to site this project, instead along the USFS Designated Utility Corridor. So far, it's been 9 months, and the USFS has indicated that they will actually re-write their own Forest plan standards to fit this project. Something's definitely wrong with this picture!

We have 80 days to convince the USFS to take a stand for the public good and for the public lands they've been charged to manage. If enough of us call, write, and email the USFS, we can make a difference!

Responsiblelines.org is updated and ready to roll.

Comments will now be addressed directly to the USFS until April 22, 2012. If you've just heard about this, or even if you've already commented to WAPA, now is your chance to address the USFS while they decide to act for the public good, or not.

RMNP as seen from Roosevelt National Forest boundary standing just uphill from where WAPA plans to clear cut this re-route, unless the public says otherwise.
RMNP as seen from Roosevelt National Forest boundary standing just uphill from where WAPA plans to clear cut this re-route, unless the public says otherwise.

Here's how you can help:

www.responsiblelines.org/takeaction


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By NickinCO
From colorado
Feb 3, 2012
after the hard stuff, into cruiser hands.

your link comes up as "no results found"


Try this

Take Action


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By responsiblelines
Feb 5, 2012
Longs

Thanks for the link fix.


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By DaveC
From Louisville, CO
Feb 5, 2012
Back lit maple leaf turning from green to red

Sent your form email with minor edits, since the (ResponsibleLines) website says the comment date is April 22.

While I am personally down with the issue (and giving it a bump with this post), I am not totally keen with MP as an advocacy forum for land use issues unless there is direct impact on climbing access. The cause will do better if it can grow from this MP thread into more appropriate forum.

Good luck. I signed up for email alerts, so contact me there with updates.


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By responsiblelines
Feb 7, 2012
Longs

DaveC wrote:
I signed up for email alerts, so contact me there with updates.


Will do. By the way, here's current conditions at the Divide as of yesterday...
Longs Peak Feb 2012 seen from Roosevelt National Forest boundary just uphill from the public access trailhead, where WAPA plans to clear cut this re-route, unless the public says otherwise.
Longs Peak Feb 2012 seen from Roosevelt National Forest boundary just uphill from the public access trailhead, where WAPA plans to clear cut this re-route, unless the public says otherwise.


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By Joe Huggins
From 666 Rue le Jour-Edge City
Feb 7, 2012
mmmm....tree

s.price wrote:
My question as well.

Yeah,I want to know as well.It seems to me that the esthetic considerations of burying the lines are bolstered by the highly bombproof nature of the installation.


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By Roxy
From Estes Park
Feb 7, 2012
Climbing the East Couloir of Hallett Peak in RMNP

letter sent


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