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By Reginald McChufferton
Mar 27, 2013
This post violated Rule #1. It has been removed by Mountain Project.

By coloradotomontana
Mar 27, 2013
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Your an angry little guy aren't you? breathin all heavy tryin to refresh the page as fast as you can, thesaurus.com at the ready. I think its probably time for a nap.

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By Reginald McChufferton
Mar 27, 2013
Pat Erley wrote:
Your an angry little guy aren't you? breathin all heavy tryin to refresh the page as fast as you can, thesaurus.com at the ready. I think its probably time for a nap.


See, now that's the kind of thing this thread needs more of. Well played sir!

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By Alex Washburne
Mar 27, 2013
I eat crack for breakfast.
Well put, Clifton & Peter.

A "young, fit, fun-loving person" died, and while we can and should learn from his mistake, we can never fill the hole that has been put in the lives of his friends and family. My condolences go to every one who knew and loved Kyle, and I hope they recover from the loss and keep getting outdoors.

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By Alex Washburne
Mar 27, 2013
I eat crack for breakfast.
PS, Reginald

I and many people I've talked with agree wholeheartedly with Clifton, so he's not on a lonesome morality committee but rather is the voice of reason in stark contrast to your belligerent rants. You're entitled to think and feel whatever you want; I think and feel that you are being a raving, insensitive jerk. I will pre-emptively save myself the trouble from another post by saying that your response to this, if any, will almost surely prove my thoughts and feelings to be correct. If it doesn't, then I have done the world a favor and tamed the beast.

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By AOSR
From Wherever we park!
Mar 27, 2013
Reginald McChufferton wrote:
See, now that's the kind of thing this thread needs more of. Well played sir!


Right! More pointless shit talking and less content and demonstrative intelligence. So let me see if I have this right: "You probably feel this way about rope jumps because you're a retard and couldn't rig one yourself if you tried!!! If you disagree with me, we should probably meet up and fight somewhere!" Give me a break.

On a more serious note, I wonder what the real story was. Does anyone have details that didn't wash down from single sentence mainstream media regurgitation? It would seem unlikely that someone would just pay out some rope and then jump... I for one would like to learn both about and from the mistake assuming that's not the case.

I also wonder if the first major light cast on rock climbing was so negative. Practically no one has even heard of this sort of thing minus a few old Dan Osman vids and suddenly we have a video going viral and an accidental death airing on the 6 o'clock news to accompany it. Not the greatest birth into the spotlight for the sport.

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By GhaMby
From Heaven
Mar 27, 2013
Fall Guy wrote:
what was he doing swinging on a Sunday in Utah anyways?


He's probably from Rad-o since Moab is the nicest place in all of Colarado.

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By EricSchmidt
Mar 27, 2013
Pat Erley wrote:
Your an angry little guy aren't you? breathin all heavy tryin to refresh the page as fast as you can, thesaurus.com at the ready. I think its probably time for a nap.


what did he need thesaurus.com for? The biggest word he used was preservation....

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By bearbreeder
Mar 27, 2013
AOSR wrote:
Right! More pointless shit talking and less content and demonstrative intelligence. So let me see if I have this right: "You probably feel this way about rope jumps because you're a retard and couldn't rig one yourself if you tried!!! If you disagree with me, we should probably meet up and fight somewhere!" Give me a break. On a more serious note, I wonder what the real story was. Does anyone have details that didn't wash down from single sentence mainstream media regurgitation? It would seem unlikely that someone would just pay out some rope and then jump... I for one would like to learn both about and from the mistake assuming that's not the case. I also wonder if the first major light cast on rock climbing was so negative. Practically no one has even heard of this sort of thing minus a few old Dan Osman vids and suddenly we have a video going viral and an accidental death airing on the 6 o'clock news to accompany it. Not the greatest birth into the spotlight for the sport.



Her statment (generally). Family was at/under the arch Sunday. All of a sudden a rope and a bag - looked like a small camel back- came flying down and just about hit my daughter. My husband immediately starting yelling at the people above..... We all backed off from under the arch immediatly and then saw the people standing on the arch. Then we saw a person (young man) jump and kind of swing and then the next instant his upper body hit and his face and body dragged across a wide section of rock. There was blood everywhere. We immediatly left the area and went to the car. This after the people on the arch yelled out that they had cell coverage and had called 911 - para medics were on the way. Our (grown) son stayed until the para medics showed up. My son said there was not much left of his face and there was so much blood. The Para medics told him that he apparently died at impact

bogley.com/forum/showthread.ph...

now im not saying that all rope swingers are "reckless" ... but throwing a pack down and almost hitting someone isnt safe for the people below ...

there was also a rope swing incident at smith where someone jumped, and peeled climbers off the wall with serious injuries

just like climbing ... risk yourself all you want ... DONT put other people at risk ...

the thing with "rope swings" IMO ... is that theres a decent possibility of other people who have nothing to do with the swing to get hurt if you dont do things properly ... yr swinging around popular areas with bodies flying around ...

of course theres always that possibility with climbing as well, but you dont often see vids with 17 million hits where people think all they need is a rope and WHEEE

theres a glorification of risk without skill ... and of things youd never accept otherwise ... i mean since when is it acceptable to push someone off a cliff on video against their will?

i expect there to be more accidents, the swingers, and innocent people get hurt ... its happened already and itll happen again

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By Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Mar 27, 2013
My navigator keeps me from getting lost
Peter Franzen wrote:
Moderation: Even though this is in General Climbing and not the Injuries & Accidents forum I would hope that we can keep it civil and avoid any insulting or slandering attitudes towards a kid who just lost his life. Please have some respect and don't let this devolve into a flamewar; this is a climbing-related death and it should be treated with respect. /Moderation


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By AOSR
From Wherever we park!
Mar 27, 2013
@beerbreader:

Thank you for the informative and non-antagonistic post. From that accounting the incident does indeed seem horribly reckless. Unfortunately, there is not a lot to learn from it that isn't a given.

Having set up numerous rope jumps it is inconceivable to me that they were throwing test bags where bystanders could be hit by them or that they were endangering anyone but themselves to begin with.

As I stated earlier, I'd like to make it clear that not all people engaging in this sort of risky and extreme activity are doing so recklessly while endangering other people. Whether it's climbing, high lining, BASE jumping, or rope jumping, there will always be people who have no idea what they're doing, with no consideration of others, that cast a bad light on those who are experienced and do care for those around them.

What a truly horrible catastrophe.

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By Chris treggE
Administrator
From Madison, WI
Mar 27, 2013
This problem haunted my dreams for 6 years after failing to send in 2008.  Finally got throw a heel over the lip jug -- now I can sleep.  Photo Darin Limvere.
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By chuffnugget
From Bolder, CO
Mar 27, 2013
From the link above, it sounds like they tossed a camelback, but didn't account for dynamic rope stretch. Sad.

I posted the original thread linking to the video a while back,

mountainproject.com/v/worlds-l...

and I asked the question of whether this type of activity should be publicized via a video with 17 million views.

At the time, most disagreed with me and said it is perfectly fine to film and promote this sort of thing. How about now?

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By AOSR
From Wherever we park!
Mar 27, 2013
David Sahalie wrote:
From the link above, it sounds like they tossed a camelback, but didn't account for dynamic rope stretch. Sad. I posted the original thread linking to the video a while back, mountainproject.com/v/worlds-l... and I asked the question of whether this type of activity should be publicized via a video with 17 million views. At the time, most disagreed with me and said it is perfectly fine to film and promote this sort of thing. How about now?


I would still disagree. I've seen a lot of BASE jumping videos and would like to--and indeed might--get into the sport. But I surely won't go buy a parachute and huck of some cliff not knowing the first thing about it.

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By todd w
Mar 27, 2013
David Sahalie wrote:
I posted the original thread linking to the video a while back, mountainproject.com/v/worlds-l... and I asked the question of whether this type of activity should be publicized via a video with 17 million views. At the time, most disagreed with me and said it is perfectly fine to film and promote this sort of thing. How about now?


Sadly prophetic, is all I can really say.

Part of me wants to say: "So what? Just look at all the climbing videos that glorify the sport"... Lots of parallels there...

...but then, I've never seen a climbing video that made a dangerous activity seem so casual. Even the free-solo videos make it pretty clear that these people are risking their lives, which is the exact opposite in the arch-swinging video. Instead, it gives a spring break vibe, kind of like they're trying to sell you a Pepsi on TV.

17 million views? Not really a big issue--the vast majority of those are couch potatoes who would never put on a climbing harness to begin with.

Did "excitement" or the video cost him his life? I don't think so--inexperience did. Rope stretch is something you learn to anticipate, and it may take a couple of years for that lesson to set in.

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By Christian "crisco" Burrell
From PG, Utah
Mar 27, 2013
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The video just made more who would try this sort of thing aware that there was a cool looking place to do it. Can't directly blame the video, but this was going to happen sooner or later for sure.
There is a forum discussion on Bogley where witnesses to the accident posted their comments.

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By bearbreeder
Mar 27, 2013
its very close to 20 million now ... an extra 3 million in the last few days

interestingly enough, i think that the publicity will make it more likely that more people will try it ...

i dont remember seeing any warnings about "professionals only, do not try this without help" on the youtube page or the vid ...

with 20 million views, the owner of the vid is likely making more than chump change ...

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By Buff Johnson
Mar 27, 2013
smiley face
It's not his job to make the planet "safe" for others.

If anyone else is going to risk themselves and rig up some bullshit system, then they accept their own consequences.

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By bearbreeder
Mar 27, 2013
Buff Johnson wrote:
It's not his job to make the planet "safe" for others. If anyone else is going to risk themselves and rig up some bullshit system, then they accept their own consequences.


and other people who get hurt who have nothing to do with it accept the consequences as well ...

note that some girl almost got brained by the "test" bag

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By Brad "Stonyman" Killough
Administrator
From Alabama
Mar 28, 2013
Starting the second section of Live to climb another day
What a tragic loss, back up and double check people. Sad.

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By John Husky
Mar 28, 2013
Wow. Very sorry for those affected by this tragedy. Accidents happen to people of all skill levels, so casting dispersions at anyone, especially in an instance like this, is an unmistakable indication of the quality of your character. I actually signed on to express my unchecked feelings toward the human garbage that jump at the chance to be forum heroes. Its bullshit.

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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
Mar 28, 2013
modern man
John Husky wrote:
Wow. Very sorry for those affected by this tragedy. Accidents happen to people of all skill levels, so casting dispersions at anyone, especially in an instance like this, is an unmistakable indication of the quality of your character. I actually signed on to express my unchecked feelings toward the human garbage that jump at the chance to be forum heroes. Its bullshit.


do you hate Darwin and his theories as well? this was not a child.

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By TWK
Mar 28, 2013
This was a circus stunt that had next to nothing to do with climbing. Kind of like "Human cannonball overshoots landing net and dies--details at eleven on NewsFirst!"

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By Clifton Santiago
Mar 28, 2013
Fall Guy wrote:
do you hate Darwin and his theories as well? this was not a child.

Emotional reactions to Darwin and age of majority have nothing to do with this. If you've climbed long enough, hell, if you've LIVED long enough, there have been many instances where sheer luck kept you off the mortician's slab for some imprudent action, and out of the internet forums for some jackass to suggest your genes' didn't pass misinformed muster.

All the scientific theory and bullshit ad hoc examples for determinism based on deficiency are poor armor against the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune to which any adventurer subjects themselves to. To disparage this young man's legacy and worth for a single instance of miscalculation, clouded no doubt by spirited enthusiasm, is cowardly and demonstrative of a spiritual shallowness.

Good luck to all you who shroud yourselves in the belief that something like this could never happen to you because you're so smart, or possessed of superior genes. Take it to Vegas.

EDIT: We all make mistakes when we're young, some survive the learning curve, some don't. There but for the grace of whatever go all of us...

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By BGBingham
Mar 28, 2013
night ice
Clifton Santiago wrote:
Emotional reactions to Darwin and age of majority have nothing to do with this. If you've climbed long enough, hell, if you've LIVED long enough, there have been many instances where sheer luck kept you off the mortician's slab for some imprudent action, and out of the internet forums for some jackass to suggest your genes' didn't pass misinformed muster. All the scientific theory and bullshit ad hoc examples for determinism based on deficiency are poor armor against the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune to which any adventurer subjects themselves to. To disparage this young man's legacy and worth for a single instance of miscalculation, clouded no doubt by spirited enthusiasm, is cowardly and demonstrative of a spiritual shallowness. Good luck to all you who shroud yourselves in the belief that something like this could never happen to you because you're so smart, or possessed of superior genes. Take it to Vegas. EDIT: We all make mistakes when we're young, some survive the learning curve, some don't. There but for the grace of whatever go all of us...


Very well stated. BTDT when I was young. With a gold line, no less, on a stupid tyrolean traverse.

Edit to add: This was before you tube and the internet. All it took was one picture of the Lost Arrow..

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