Mammut Tubular Webbing 16.0 - What would you use it for?

I think the title of this post basically tells you I'm totally new to this. Trying to build my rack and gear.

Bought 100m. Accidentally thought it was 1". It's only rated at 15 Kn, so I've already ordered some 1"webbing at the measurements I wanted.

But now I have this 100m. What is it used for? What could I use it for besides equipment slings? Not really comfortable building anchors out of this simply because it is not 4000+ lbs.

Any suggestions or ideas?

Please be kind to this noob.

Thanks in advance.

It's sturdy enough for top roping, especially in the right configuration, but 100m is a lot.

What I'd use it for if I had it. Rap anchors, bail out webbing, and probably canyon anchors. I used to carry 9/16th for rappel anchors until it started costing more than 1in.

15kn is plenty for both rappel and top rope anchors, but doubled/tripled over with a nice rappel ring, the tree/anchor will fail before the the webbing.

Sounds like 5/8 or 9/16 webbing to me. Tie up some various length runners. Use em over the shoulder, trippled as trad draws, webolette etc.
-Mackley
Added, 15kn is enough for almost any climbing application. My cam slings are rated anywhere from 5kn (#0 mastercam) to 14kn (#3 c4).

Thanks for the tips guys. Looks like I can return it so I am going to (love steepandcheap).

I thought it was 1" 22Kn but didn't really pay attention - my bad for sure and a learning lesson.

Ordered 3 sets of 1" webbing in 50', 30', 20' & 10's. I know it's a little overboard, but I always go overboard when I get into something ;) (that's what my wife keeps saying).

Know enough now to know that I don't know enough! Will be jumping on some additional training and courses. Going to another anchor class this weekend. Signed up for Boy Scout Director training which will require more training as well.

Also looking at spending some time with my son at the local crags checking things out - not climbing yet. Love research and this forum is invaluable in giving different perspectives that I then go and research to find more info out.

Thanks for the kind welcome and advice.

(EDIT - deleted what was coming out as spraying - thanks for pointing that out Rob. Didn't mean it that way)

I would not worry about the 15kN rating. FYI, almost no cam on the market is rated for more than 15kN. I think the highest I have seen is 16kN, and many hold less than 10kN, but they hold fine when you take a 40 footer on them. With two webbing legs, your webbing will hold around 20kN which is absolutely impossible to achieve on TR on a single pitch route under realistic conditions.

My take on all this - how does a non-climber become a "climbing instructor"? That's a bit, shall we say, F'ed up. (this being aimed at BSA rather than the OP)

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Since you asked, there are several roles to run a rappel event for BSA.

There is a Climbing Dirctor who directly runs the events. They have extensive training and experience and are in overall charge of the events and how they run both from a technical standpoint as well as from a safety standpoint. The BSA guidelines are exceedingly stringent on what equipment can be used as well as the redundancy that is built into them.

Instructors are under the direct supervision of the Directors and help assist the Director to supervise the scouts as well as to help instruct in specific tasks. As an instructor I went through an 8 hour classroom course covering everything from anchors, belays, equipment, knots, etc. this class was lead by some highly skilled directors such as a 20 year veteran of the fire rescue team. I then had to attend a 6 hour field course on anchor building and rappel rescue. To finish the course you must participate in a BSA run event under the supervision of a director and show that you have command of the material, can instruct scouts in the safe handling of the gear, and supervise them through the event.BSA events are basically rappels with fireman's belays. No solo rappels.

So as I classified in my original post, it's really a rappel instructor. I will not be running and event, but will be acting in a support role. The director will have overall authority at the event, and in most cases there are two directors, then there will be several instructors at various stations teaching a specific task. Before an event, we will spend several weekly meeting going over equipment handling and knot tying with the troop.

Personally, I am attending as many events as I can so that my experience level is continually increasing. I feel completely competent right now to build a safe rappel anchor system, as well as to teach scouts how to wear a harness, helmet and tie into a rappel device. Having said that, I am going to another anchor class this weekend.

Nothing beats experience, and that is what I am working on.

Hope this clarifies how the system works for BSA. It is not intended in any way to be a trad or aid climbing instructor...only rappel. I do not pretend to be anything else.

Basically, what he is saying. Not everyone that works in a hospital is chief of neurosurgery. But everyone has a role limited by their expertise.

Sure, and I could give children instructions/supervision on how to safely use an oven. However I wouldn't go online and call myself a baking instructor.

Gunkiemike wrote:My take on all this - how does a non-climber become a "climbing instructor"? That's a bit, shall we say, F'ed up. (this being aimed at BSA rather than the OP)

Rick,

Do you still have the webbing?

I'm willing to buy it off of of you.

Mammut has discontinued this webbing and inventories at distributors are sold out.

Pm me

If you haven't already, get a copy of Mountaineering: Freedom of the Hills. It'll give you a solid foundation, and will help you get the most out of any guided sessions (should you choose to take courses).

Jake,

The "t" in your third sentence should be capitalized, no? What the hell is wrong with you?

I'm concerned about you Jake. I think you need some time away from this site.

Atwood wrote:Rick, Do you still have the webbing? I'm willing to buy it off of of you. Mammut has discontinued this webbing and inventories at distributors are sold out. Pm me