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By Mike McHugh
Aug 27, 2013
Shawn Mitchell wrote:
I don't understand why there's controversy. As Stich pointed out, this is not the memorial forum, it's the accident forum, which exists for a reason. People should be respectful and not cast judgment, but discussing and learning from the details of accidents is exactly what this forum is for.


Ideally, yes. Sadly, the frothy MP mix of conjecture, egocentrism, and anecdote do not a valuable accident discussion make.

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By Cindy Mitchell
Aug 27, 2013
Racking up for the 3rd pitch of Ruper
Merlin wrote:
People learn by experiencing things for themselves.


If this were true, ANAM wouldn't be published as it wouldn't be necessary.

I don't want to learn through experience "how not to die in a climbing accident" by dying.

I can't do anything about the disrespectful comments made on this forum. But, I can review the facts surrounding the accident and make adjustments if applicable so my family hopefully, doesn't experience the pain of loss.

There have been several analyses of accidents on mp.com that have been beneficial for me as a climber. I appreciate we have a forum from which to discuss and learn.

Condolences to friends and family of the fallen climber.

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By Brigette
From Seattle, WA
Aug 28, 2013
At the anchors.
Mike McHugh wrote:
Ideally, yes. Sadly, the frothy MP mix of conjecture, egocentrism, and anecdote do not a valuable accident discussion make.



Bingo! Unfortunately, thoughtful, respectful discussion is the MP exception these days, rather than the rule. I must say, though, that so far everyone has kept it above the belt on this post. Well done!

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Aug 28, 2013
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
Well, I know for sure that at least 2 people in favor of the discussion here have lost friends or lovers to climbing accidents. I hope that puts it in perspective.

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By GabeO
From Denver, CO
Aug 28, 2013
I have lost friends to climbing accidents too. I've also personally fucked up and have been forthcoming with the details online (when I was ready).

As such, let me add my voice to the chorus of those calling for pertinent details of the accident to be disclosed to the public by those in the know. I, for one, would appreciate it. Sometimes you'd be surprised at what can be learned. More than you realize.

GO

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By Chris DeWitt
From Tampa, FL
Aug 28, 2013
Casaval Ridge
Dave Meyers posted saying he recovered gear from the Batman Pinnacle. Maybe they know what route.

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By Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Aug 28, 2013
Big Boulder, just a bit downhill from Temple of Ka...
Does anybody actually know about the accident or is this just goin to turn into another Mt Project, dead end, rant/bitch forum post?

LAW... No, this is not your average MP deal.... all are being respectful, for now.

Ranting and bitching are on hold for now....


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Aug 28, 2013
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
LawHous wrote:
Does anybody actually know about the accident or is this just goin to turn into another Mt Project, dead end, rant/bitch forum post?

I understand the question in the first part of your post, but the last part of your post sounds a lot like "Mt Project, dead end, rant/bitch forum post."
Seems we could eliminate 1/2 of that problem by not contributing to it.

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By goingUp
Aug 28, 2013
So, I May be to blame here for the tangent this accident forum has taken. When i initially voiced my objections to the discussion of tragic events I desired to allow the family and close friends of a lost individual the privacy and personal information they hold to be theirs. To keep sacred from those who always crop up on this site without compassion discussion how they would have been smarter, or better and avoided the calculated risks a person took, or not made their 'rookie mistake'. Afterall, hindsite is 20/20.
I do not wish to see people pained with public statements that may tarnish or cloud their memories.
I can agree in the invaluable information that is to be gained from learning from the mistakes of others... Afterall, if you dont know your history... your doomed to repeat it... fact. It is only my opinion, that IN A THREAD DIRECTLY TIED TO A SPECIFIC PERSON, voiced by those who knew them, that details would be disclosed if those people so desired, and the analysis of the accident could occur with some anonymity (or not if those involved choose to disclose) at a later date, and perhaps in a scientific-objective, rather than personal-subjective manner.
-that is all

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By Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
Aug 29, 2013
Rumney
goingUp wrote:
tigerclaw, i dont think thats important, especially on this site, there is no need to nitpick and find blame, or even a reason to understand the loss and tragedy., climbing is dangerous, we all know and understand the risks. The fact that this as well as many other accidents that have hapened (especially recently )should help us to be more aware of our surroundings, redundancy and need to check our safety gear, placement and judgement... without passing the latter onto the survivors of lost loved ones. Im am sorry for this loss., -Marc


This mentality contributes to these accidents happening.

There is no good time/place. The time is now. Let the family and friends grieve elsewhere if necessary. The internet isn't a wake anyway.

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By CJC
Aug 29, 2013
tony...that was a great post man. thanks.

goingup please let us just discuss this as we see fit

don't try to censor people or threads or forums

we have reasons for wanting the information we seek and there is purpose behind what we say.

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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Aug 29, 2013
tanuki
Kevin Heckeler wrote:
This mentality contributes to these accidents happening. There is no good time/place. The time is now. Let the family and friends grieve elsewhere if necessary. The internet isn't a wake anyway.


Bullshit. It is not an all or nothing game. We should be able to discuss what happened and still show deference to feelings of the family.

It is called having empathy. You should try it sometime instead of acting like a dogmatic asshole.

That aside, I offer my sincere condolences to Corey Stewart’s friends and family.

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Aug 29, 2013
Bocan
NC Rock Climber wrote:
Bullshit. It is not an all or nothing game. We should be able to discuss what happened and still show deference to feelings of the family. It is called having empathy. You should try it sometime instead of acting like an asshole.



Agreed...I really try to avoid alot of these MP debates, but I'd like to point out that every night on the news they detail the events that led up to a particular accident. This is even to the point of providing minute by minute updates, grilling neighbors and spectators, getting expert opinions, police reports etc, and in no way is that considered in bad taste. Most certainly I do not change my behavior because of these reports, which is in stark contrast to a climbing accident report.

In comparison we are a community that is invested in not only the current well being, but also the future state of its members. Personally I find I can be empathetic while being informed, such as in the case of the Boulder canyon accident. Perfect example of an accident that has immediate beneficial information. Quite often these accidents have a direct correlation to the climb, not just the behavior of the climber.

Regardless my utmost condolences to the friends and family of Corey.

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By Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
Aug 29, 2013
Rumney
Um.... this is the accidents forum. The entire purpose of this section is to get down to the nitty gritty. If someone is coming to this thread to grieve they are the ones looking in the wrong place, not those of us interested in learning from the climber's mistake(s).

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By Vaughne
Aug 29, 2013
Just as an FYI for those looking to learn more about accidents and the causes, you can download the ANAM publication for about $9: shop.americanalpineclub.org/co...
It's got more accident reports than any sane person would want to read about.

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By Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
Aug 29, 2013
Rumney
Vaughne wrote:
Just as an FYI for those looking to learn more about accidents and the causes, you can download the ANAM publication for about $9: shop.americanalpineclub.org/co... It's got more accident reports than any sane person would want to read about.


+1

I believe club members get it for free too... ;-)

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By James Reyes
1 day ago
I am very sorry to hear about the Passing! In 1998 as a new gunks climber I to headed out to lumpy Ridge. I went to Batman and Robin Pinnacle. We hiked up to find the Batman and Robin pinnacle and I was looking for the 5.6 route. We hiked left and found a left facing flake and a beautiful crack that looked like 5.6 I geared up and climbed the wrong route. It was later deemed a X rated climb.

I to wonder what Climb Corey go on. I was too easy to mistake the flake and not hike left enough to find the 5.6

I am mean no disrespect but I to would like to know what route he was on?

James

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By mustardtiger
8 hours ago
IDK
I am glad there isn't anyone claiming to know what happened that wasn't there. I am in favor of learning from mistakes but I think getting the correct facts is the most important part. I lost a friend in a accident and people were coming to me with the claims about what happened that were not even there. I don't want to mention how dangerous some of these rumors became but when your dealing with the loss of life there really is no room for anything besides the true series of events.

RIP COREY

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