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Lost control of belay of the second on Rewritten, 3-31-12
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By MegaGaper2000
From Indianola, Wa
Apr 5, 2012
the dragon's tail, or dragon's tooth, or whatever. And me.

JoeP wrote:
Megagaper - the point I was trying to make, which I apparently failed miserably to make, was that contrary to AMFDM's claim, the Cinch with the brake strand correctly oriented, even when obstructed, should not create a straight rope path. And that even when obstructed, the belayer should be able to orient the brake strand such that the device should provide sufficient friction to arrest a TR fall. I've seen a TR fall arrested with a figure 8 when the brake strand was held vertical (essentially a 180 bend around a biner in that position), belayer got burned hands, but he held the fall. Do I think it's adequate to belay with only a single 180* bend, hell no. But we aren't talking about using an ATC, munter, etc., the issue is whether the Cinch in an obstructed position, with the brake strand oriented in the proper position will provide enough friction to hold a second in such an emergency. Hopefully, that clarifies the point I was trying to make. Edit - talking about belaying the second from the anchor as shown in ABMFB's pic.


Got it. Sorry to fly off the handle. But it sounded like you were saying something very... strange. Plus, I love the munter, so when somebody badmouths it - or even if I get confused and just think somebody is badmouthing it - I tend to get a little caveman.


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