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Live and Learn 

YDS: 5.8 French: 5b Ewbanks: 16 UIAA: VI- ZA: 15 British: HVS 4c

Type:  Trad, 1 pitch, 30'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.8 French: 5b Ewbanks: 16 UIAA: VI- ZA: 15 British: HVS 4c [details]
Season: Year round
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Submitted By: alpenglow on Mar 16, 2008

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Fun crack that is a good first gear lead. The crux comes right off the ground but can be easily protected. The rest of the climb is a very fun and straight forward crack


Downhill and around the corner from unconquerable


up to a #2 Camalot

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By jpvandever
From: San Francisco, CA
Mar 17, 2008
rating: 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c

A #4 BD cam can be placed at eye level off the ground to keep from rolling down the slab if you fall at the crux (i.e. getting off the ground and into the crack).
By Logan Swartz
From: Davis, CA
Apr 15, 2013
rating: 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a

crux is getting off the ground

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