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By David Appelhans
From Lafayette
May 1, 2013
Imaginate

Jason N. wrote:
I'm not seeing where he said that he's looking for something to bring to a popular crag on a weekend...


You are right, no one mentioned the time of day or the popularity of the crag except for you. It is rude to play your music at a crag. It is especially rude to play it on alpine crags. It doesn't matter if you are only a rude to 3 people on Wednesdays, you are still rude.


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By Jason N.
From Grand Junction
May 1, 2013
Indy pass

David Appelhans wrote:
You are right, no one mentioned the time of day or the popularity of the crag except for you. It is rude to play your music at a crag. It is especially rude to play it on alpine crags. It doesn't matter if you are only a rude to 3 people on Wednesdays, you are still rude.


My point was just that it seems that people are assuming he'd be a dick about it and blasting music while others are around, despite the clear consensus that it's rude. I'm saying that maybe he has his own secret crags or places where he'll be climbing where he won't be disturbing anyone. There are tons of local crags around here where you seldom see another party even on weekends. It just seems like people just want an excuse to flame someone.


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By Ty Morrison-Heath
From Bozeman, MT
May 1, 2013
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Heaven forbid some of wish to be in nature and not have to listen to others music whilst out climbing. I know you only have the best taste in music and everyone loves it. I've got a secret for you...they don't and secretly want to bludgeon you to death with the speakers making the noise. I've noticed this is becoming a trend at many local crags around Bozeman. Stop. You look like a douchebag if you bring your own music making device to the crag and play it while others are around. If you need music to climb buy some headphones. /rant over


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By Dana Bartlett
From CT
May 1, 2013

I'm not seeing where he said that he's looking for something to bring to a popular crag on a weekend...

Those are the only places guys like him go to.


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By Ben Lock
From Cedar City, UT
May 1, 2013

Em Cos wrote:
I support climbing wholeheartedly, can speak on a variety of topics, and have a soothing voice. I'm not sure why it would matter, but I weigh about 120.

Love this.


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By J Q
May 1, 2013
Me again!

The Phoenix wrote:
dude... this little guy BUMPS the Dubstep at our rad trad crags: www.amazon.com/iHome-30-Pin-iPhone-Portable-Speaker/dp/B0035>>> BUT these little fuckers awesome too... def enough to piss off the likes of this forum, 8 hr + charge, small, loud, rich sounds and expensive: https://jawbone.com/speakers/jambox/overview I also recommend drilling and placing a bolt along the base of the crag to hang your speakers, HA!



The jawbone kinda sucks, it makes a warning sound every time it gets less than 50% full of batteries and can be kinda annoying. I don't know if the new models do this but two years ago they all did.


Brendan Blanchard wrote:
Depends on your crag, but generally music is a terrible idea. I really thought this was a troll when I saw the title. Don't play music at the crag. There are plenty of crags where headphones are also unacceptable due to crowding, people calling rope, as well as crags with more than average danger. You need to hear when others call rope, rock, ice, gear, etc.




True, some crags don't need music. Too many people, certain settings, land managers wishes, etc. I would never bring out an I-pod at Hueco, yet to not use one at Rifle is a missed opportunity.



csproul wrote:
Don't. Nobody at the crag wants to hear your crappy music. They make headphones for a reason.



Gunkiemike wrote:
I think it's important that the speakers be non-toxic. Because it's clear from the responses here that someone is likely to shove them down your throat.


J. Albers wrote:
Ding ding. Leave your music at home. Sheesh, I can't believe people even need to be told this kind of crap. .


David Appelhans wrote:
You are right, no one mentioned the time of day or the popularity of the crag except for you. It is rude to play your music at a crag. It is especially rude to play it on alpine crags. It doesn't matter if you are only a rude to 3 people on Wednesdays, you are still rude.




On the other hand, these self centered climbers are total douchlets who try to create mandates for others, even while visiting a crag in the middle of nowhere. They want you to think about their feelings, but yours don't matter none. This is the tourist climber who tells the local who bolted the wall to turn off his music (yes you little turd, I am referencing you). These climbers are essentially fascist assholes and should be ignored.


Now it's up to you to tell the difference. One good rule of thumb I tend to use is this: if their statement is very one sided, emotional, threatening, and leaves no room for other people opinions and desires, then you should ignore that fascist totalitarian bitch and let him know how ugly, stupid, and offensive he is to you.

Then try to hug it out.

The one who demands his way because his feelings are hurt is no different than the douche who bumps music so loudly that the party on the second pitch can't communicate. Both these groups really don't give a shit about anything except their own personal desires and feelings; but their cries for ethics sure are amusing.


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By Ian Stewart
May 1, 2013

There have been times when people were listening to music around me and I hated it.

There have been other times when I've been climbing and somebody politely asked "do you mind if I play some XYZ", and since I like XYZ I say "no, go ahead", and we all enjoyed it together.

There have also been times when I've been climbing alone without another climber around for miles. Though I've never brought speakers, had I had them nobody else would have been around to care.


"Don't be a dick" is always valid advice, but assuming that somebody is going to be a dick is pretty dickish in itself.


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By frankstoneline
May 1, 2013

There is a pretty famous story wherein John Bachar is quoted as saying something like "they've got their rap bolts, I've got my rap music" in response to some yuppie asking him to turn off his stereo in the Owens. I don't point this out because I think it's justification for listening to music at the crag, but because I think the story illustrates nicely how everyone is kind of inadvertently impacting other people.

Music, crag dogs, kids at the crag, toprope gangbangs, fixed draws, absence of bolted rappel anchors, tick marks, glued holds, over bolting, under bolting, guide books, internet spray, and a whole slew of other things are great examples of this.

There is no "right" or "wrong" but there sure as hell are a lot of "right" ways to piss me off...

you kids get off my lawn.


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By J Q
May 1, 2013
Me again!

frankstoneline wrote:
There is a pretty famous story wherein John Bachar is quoted as saying something like "they've got their rap bolts, I've got my rap music" in response to some yuppie asking him to turn off his stereo in the Owens. I don't point this out because I think it's justification for listening to music at the crag, but because I think the story illustrates nicely how everyone is kind of inadvertently impacting other people. Music, crag dogs, kids at the crag, toprope gangbangs, fixed draws, absence of bolted rappel anchors, tick marks, glued holds, over bolting, under bolting, guide books, internet spray, and a whole slew of other things are great examples of this. There is no "right" or "wrong" but there sure as hell are a lot of "right" ways to piss me off... you kids get off my lawn.



Right? I can't believe we agree. The only way to lessen your impact on nature and other humans is to quietly go dig a dying hole with your hands, jump in, and get on with it.

Every other attempt is a failure.

This thread is a waste of electricity that has a direct effect on a depletion of natural resources.


If you all really care about my feelings and the earth's environment:

Go dig your hole.

That way there are fewer people to offend and fewer people using up these precious resources we all so appreciate.


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By frankstoneline
May 1, 2013

J Q wrote:
Right? I can't believe we agree.


Have we historically disagreed?

Realistically I'd rather hear your dubstep than "TAKE...TAKE" and you yelling at your off leash dog.


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By Davis Stevenson
From Flagstaff, Arizona
May 1, 2013
Following up a new route out in the Mojave Desert.  Info coming soon maybe?  Fun 5.10 hands and fingers.

I've had music playing, but only when nobody else can hear me. it's nice when your buddy is projecting something, but I would never take tunes to a crowded place like the Pit up here in Flagstaff.

That being said, I've had good luck with my iPhone dropped in a metal cup. Works to amplify it just enough to hear it. I do that all the time when I'm out slacklining with buddies. Also, a piezo transdeucer afixed to something that resonates well works great, and won't require batteries.


However, there's little bass, and I have an inkling that you're going to be blasting Dupstep or some other bro bullshit that people try to pass as music these days... Don't. Just don't.

EDIT: If there's a top rope gang-bang happening on the 5.7 next to you with a cooler and folding chairs, blast that shit in their face until they cave and offer you their beer to shut it off.


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
May 1, 2013
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

Ray Pinpillage wrote:
A month ago I was at the crag playing some music quietly on my Android while I was climbing and someone asked me to turn it off. I told them no and they pouted. No high-fives or fist-bumps.


You were playing your music on your Android phone? That sounds like complete shiite. You should be stoned to death. Get some decent speakers for god's sake.


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By Dustin B
From Steamboat
May 1, 2013
It's always a party.

I bought one of those music bullets a while back for 5 bucks while at the wal-mart. since then I have treated that thing like shit, and it still works great. charges up so you don't need batteries. It is not super loud, but thats ok cause if you crank it too much, someone in Boulder will hear it and call the cops on you.

five bucks

-Dustin


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By C. Archibald
May 1, 2013
Leading On the Up and Up

wrote:
I also recommend drilling and placing a bolt along the base of the crag to hang your speakers, HA!


That's brilliant! I'm gonna start bolting speaker-anchors for sure! My sendage diminishes cause I get super pumped carrying around this bad boy:





Next Question: Can I bolt my speaker-anchor on rappel, or does it have to be ground up? I don't want to upset the ethics patrol.


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By Ben Beckerich
From saint helens, oregon
May 1, 2013
About half way up the East Arete on Illumination Rock

holy fucking shit, this thread went awesome


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By Merlin
From Grand Junction
May 1, 2013

Years ago I saw a kid with a boombox on his shoulder blasting music in town. A big guy in a plaid shirt with a huge beard asked him nicely to turn it off. The kid most have said something to piss him off because he took it, stomped it to pieces and said, "Thank me for teaching you manners". I laughed for about a week.

Earlplugs are the way to go.


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By Peter Hurtgen
From Fort Collins, CO
May 1, 2013
at the rap from yellow spur

that escalated quickly.... +1 no music! focus on climbing!


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By J. Albers
From Colorado
May 1, 2013
Bucky

frankstoneline wrote:
Have we historically disagreed? Realistically I'd rather hear your dubstep than "TAKE...TAKE" and you yelling at your off leash dog.


Maybe Frank, but you would never know it because J.Q. is the lovely type who talks a lot of trash but hides behind an anonymous username. Weak sauce indeed. Truth be told, a few years ago I very politely asked J.Q. to turn her music down (I'm guessing its her...or maybe her husband) and she did so. Given our seemingly polite interaction, I thought everything was fine. It was not. However, instead of confronting me then and there about her distaste for my request, she instead subsequently sent me anonymous, passive aggressive emails via MP where she verbally assaulted me (poorly) and told me never to come back to her "home" crag. Well guess what J.Q., you don't own the land that you climb on even if it is your home turf. Its public land and just because you live nearby doesn't give you the right to be a selfish jerk.

Moreover, what J.Q. fails to recognize is the following. Imposing your wishes in this circumstance does have a compromise solution that allows both individuals to get what they want. In short, if I ask someone to turn off their music, they can still listen to it with headphones. If on the other hand, they decide that they have a right to listen to sh*tty music wherever and whenever they want, then others at the crag are simply out of luck because they are forced to listen to said music. Thus the first solution allows person A to continue to listen to music, while person B gets peace and quiet. The second solution, however, is not a compromise at all because person B simply gets f*cked.

This whole situation would be sort of laughable if it wasn't so sad. As I said in my earlier post, the Access Fund added an amendment into the Jailhouse access agreement that specifically states that there is no music. Why? Because douchebags could not be trusted to self regulate themselves and act in the interest of others around them. The funny (or sad) part is that if the music listener would have used better judgement then they could have listened to music on weekdays when the place was empty...just not on the weekend when the place is busy. But instead, they spent years being inconsiderate jerks, so that when it came time for the community to decide on rules, everyone decided on the nuclear option of no music ever. Nice work folks.


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By T Howes
From Bozeman, MT
May 2, 2013

I sometimes haul this to the crag. nobody has ever complained to me... they must like my tasty jams.


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
May 2, 2013
Cleo's Needle

Stich wrote:
You were playing your music on your Android phone? That sounds like complete shiite. You should be stoned to death. Get some decent speakers for god's sake.


Oh yeah? Say that to my face, BRO!!!!!11!1!!!!1!


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By Avi Katz
May 2, 2013

I've found that IF I am remote enough to see no other climbers and IF I'm really needing some musical accompaniment, my iPhone stuffed into a vest or shirt pocket is just enough volume to reach my ears.

Otherwise DJ stays in the pack.

I'd recommend getting some speakers to clip to the nearest crag dog or child and pump up the jams.


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By Alec32
From Brooklyn, NY
May 2, 2013

I have to agree with everyone here who says the leave the speakers at home. Many people (like me) climb outside to enjoy a little bit of nature in their otherwise urban life. When someone's playing music through speakers at the crag, it ruins that feeling a little bit, even if it's an "outdoor gym" type of crag. Everyone should be able to enjoy outdoor climbing without unnecessary noise from other parties. If you're alone, by all means, blast away.

Also, playing music through speakers at the crag makes you seem like a gym-rat gumby. I, of course, don't care how you come off, but people should know that.


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
May 2, 2013
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

This conversation looks like a debate between me and the ole' ball and chain regarding the age-old toilet seat up or down issue. If someone politely asks if I mind, I won't say no. However, if they're blaring some inane horseshit for which I possess a particular brand of disdain, I feel compelled to bestow upon them my obviously superior tastes and attempt to sway them by verbal chicanery to see the merits of my musical snobbery. I'm no matt davies, but there you have it.


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By Matt N
From Santa Barbara, CA
May 2, 2013
OTL


Only allowable if you're free soloing.


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By Jeremy Hand
May 4, 2013
slopey

Bro-bro, weight should NOT be an issue! All you need to do is convert a 4x4 into a space-age pimpin sound mobile including subs, tweeters, 6.5"s, 4x9s, minimum of two amplifiers and a P.A. system to produce an ample amount of jams. The perks to this is that you will not insult anyone with your sounds or beats when you stroll up to the crag, as all will be in awe of your sick setup, and you can also keep your cases of budlight right in the back, do not have to worry about break-ins at the parking lot, and you will have all the 'fly hunnies' swarming to ride in your whip and prayin you offer a belay!

Good luck and post up pictures of your project process.

Cheers


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