lets make it a habbit to cut and replace old dilapidated slings off rap stations.

People there are too many accidents caused by failed stations due to old slings.

Not saying it's a bad idea but I can't recall that old webbing failing has been the cause of many rappel accidents. Correct me if I'm wrong.

BigJuggsjohnson wrote:lets make it a habbit to cut and replace old dilapidated slings off rap stations.

Ellenor, I'm pretty sure it already is a habit for most people. If you don't trust it, replace it. Seems like common sense to me.

If I see old slings I cut and replace them but I've noticed the clusters of old slings in different stages of decay quite frequently on East coast and on top of some ice routes especially.

Red River Gorge was the last place I heard of old webbing failing and I believe both climbers died happened in the last 2 years I think. In light of what has happened recently it should open our eyes to try to help those to young,poor,inexperienced,or whatever to not trust old slings just remove them and remove the chance that someone else who doesnt know any better for whatever reason gets hurt. No Derek I dont need your input in advance.

On rappell is when most accidents happen. Things like weather , night, tiredness, heat , cold new territory or hard to find desent all influence our ability to deal with stressors. Its a part of training im sure though if there was less cluster at the belay stations (multiple old slings) it would make things easier. I remember on many occasions trying to fit my locker over multiple slings, when I was new thinking more is better. Im not saying we all should feel obligated to clean up every rap station to perfection but using common sence and cutting off unnecessary slings would not only be aestetically pleasing but also safer. Yes especially for the new inexperienced climbers. This is just a suggestion . If it reaches some and a fraction of those will cut off old slings its just that many noobs are not going to potentially have an epic clipping into them.

mountainproject.com/v/10768…. 4% of accidents are attributed to anchor failure. So yes, many accidents do happen on rappel, but anchor failure is not the major cause. Complacency is the culprit.

Lets cut the tat when there's an easily doable walkoff too. No need to replace that stuff.

There was a discussion on tat on trees and how pampered climbers never learn but in my opinion its just being messy just like leaving trash or poop bags. If u rap off a sling and trust it then leave it. If u think the station is disgustingly cluttered clean it up. Potential for stuck gear and rope plus just simple frustration. The problem is that not everybody carriers a knife and people hurry up to get off the route to do some housekeeping in the process.

Matt N wrote:Lets cut the tat when there's an easily doable walkoff too. No need to replace that stuff.

But I don't have to walkoff at the GYM!!

BigJuggsjohnson wrote:People there are too many accidents caused by failed stations due to old slings.

This sounds like a troll to me since I almost never hear about accidents caused by this.
Be that as it may, I was wondering about appropriateness, in places that have slung rocks for belays, is it ok to lug up some chain and quick links and just create a clean anchor once and for all. In a place like the Flatirons would that be violating the fixed anchor approval process? Since it's not necessarily "fixed" depending on how tight you screw quick links seems like a grey area but would definitely be much cleaner in my opinion.

devkrev wrote: But I don't have to walkoff at the GYM!!

we should start

Troll this troll that troll shcmoll. Its sad to see how much crap hangs on trees out there. Bring a knife cut the crap and pack it out. I am always gonna be cutting off that from now on. Seriously!

How many of you have ever cut off a bra, or a pair of panties.

This is a serious thread actually not a troll. Btw bringing a knife and webbing on multipitch routes along with a couple extra Leaver lockers is crucial. Im liking to use tripples length slings for stations lately but its an expensive leave piece!

Yo all need to go find yourselves! Btw Cosmo has nothing on MP! NOTHING! hahaha

If your ability to effectively determine tat from non-tat (and whether or not it should be removed) is anything like your grasp of the English language and the layout of a QWERTY keyboard, Lord help us all.

Heck I can tell tat! Indeedy I can!

I will be the judge of what's tat and what's not! Oh boy I can't wait to get to the next rap station tree with my jagged edge! That's my mission!

mitchy wrote:How many of you have ever cut off a bra, or a pair of panties.

I have, but I'm a paramedic, so it's all good. However, and speaking of tat, I would've rather had left most of them alone...

I feel your pain bra, i see things of that nature ALL the time also.