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By Brian Scoggins
From Eugene, OR
Oct 19, 2012
I am right now waiting for a new-to-me pair of aztars in the mail and have learned that they shouldn't come with leashes. Therefore, I'll have to provide my own. My vipers have the neato integrated leash rig, but I can't transfer that to these other tools, since they aren't also first-generation vipers. While I can, in the short term, just tie slings out of webbing, I'd rather have something that's lower profile, stretches less when wet, and doesn't absorb as much water.

With that in mind, who makes the best leash?

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By Ryan N
From Palo Alto
Oct 19, 2012
RJN
Honestly learn to climb leashless. It may not seem like a big deal, but being able to match hands, switch hands, and shoulder a tool will make you much more efficient at ice climbing. Ive been climbing ice for years and I have never dropped a tool, nor have any of my partners, so if that's what your worried about it rarely ever happens. Besides leading and mixed climbing is signifigantly harder with leashes. If your hell bent on leashes, in the gym, I've used the umbilical type and their much less cumbersome than the tool mounted versions.

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Oct 19, 2012
Bocan
Ryan N wrote:
Honestly learn to climb leashless. It may not seem like a big deal, but being able to match hands, switch hands, and shoulder a tool will make you much more efficient at ice climbing. Ive been climbing ice for years and I have never dropped a tool, nor have any of my partners, so if that's what your worried about it rarely ever happens. Besides mixed climbing is signifigantly harder with leashes.


I don't think you read his post. He's asking what leashes to use on his aztars, which aren't leashless tools by nature... not his vipers.

I believe they came with the freelock leashes if they are new, so I don't see why they wouldn't send them along. I traded mine out for the Petzel clippers and they work fine, minus very rarely they can come unclipped. They are nice because they swivel upwards for plunging, as well as the leash cuff has greater flexibility on a gloved hand.

Or you can take Ryan's leashless advice and jimmy rig your aztars with the catch, but they'll be less of of a plunging tool. I wouldn't do that myself since they have quite a bit less clearance and you'd smash your hands.

Your vipers on the other hand, hell yes go leashless.

And I think I have my original freelocks with minimal use if you're interested.

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By Brian Scoggins
From Eugene, OR
Oct 21, 2012
So, to clarify, I got them from that big EMS school sale that was on here the other day, and as far as I can ascertain, the school stripped off the leashes. Maybe not. I'm not really a fan of the freelocks because they are tied to the shaft, so you can't really get on top of the tool for low-dagger and self-arrest, which seems kind of weird for an alpine-specific tool.

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Oct 21, 2012
Bocan
Try the clippers. Like I said they are set up pretty nice for plunging.

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By Brian Scoggins
From Eugene, OR
Oct 21, 2012
Scott McMahon wrote:
Try the clippers. Like I said they are set up pretty nice for plunging.


That's what my buddy said too. I think I will.

Also, I've already got my Vipers rigged for leashless climbing. What that means is that they suck for any time I have to plunge the shaft into snow.

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