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By Shane Zentner
From Colorado
Feb 20, 2011
The Sun with Pikes Peak in the distance.  <br />South Platte valley, Fall 2010
I'm looking to replace my eleven year old 5.10 Newtons. I've tried several sizes of the Scarpa Techo with bad results. I own La Sportiva Miuras and love them. However, I'm looking for a stiffer sole, and, I'm hesitant to spend over $150 on shoes. Perhaps that's what's happening these days...

Your thoughts, good or bad, regarding the Tradmaster is appreciated. I enjoy edging at Eldo to cracks/slabs in the Platte, to the high peaks in RMNP.

-Thank you

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By DFrench
From Cape Ann
Feb 20, 2011
Vervet Monkeys know which site is best.
I bought some Tradmasters a while back and had two issues with them.

1. The lacing over the toes can be a bit weird and uncomfortable, especially if you are going to be climbing thin hands cracks in them. Just make sure the toe-box feels okay for your foot when you try them on because they are quite different from other LS shoes I've owned.

2. They are lined with a soft fleecy material that gets pretty hot and slippery in the summer. I am prone to hot feet and mine would slide around making edging a less than precise affair.

My recommendation is to try them on and see what you think. If I didn't have these two issues - which may only relate to the shape and stankiness of my feet - then they probably would have been great shoes.

Also, if you are ordering them online to try them on, then my recommendation would be to try a half-size larger than your miuras. I wear a 45 Miura and the 45 tradmaster was just too small.

Hope that helps,
Doug.

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By Chris Plesko
From Westminster, CO
Feb 20, 2011
OMG, I winz!!!
What's the price difference between a tradmaster and the shoe you really want on sale? I know everyone balks at high priced shoes but I've seen muiras for $100 and TC Pros for under $120 if you shop sales. It's just not that outrageous to me if you bargain hunt or buy shoes off MP where someone got the wrong size and they're not even broken in yet.

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By Cindy Mitchell
Feb 20, 2011
Racking up for the 3rd pitch of Ruper
Tradmasters are a very comfy crack shoe. I replaced the rubber after 4 days of climbing because I was slipping on footholds I could stick easily with my Muiras. **I know, I know, it could have just been crappy technique**

I asked the guy at Rock and Resole about the rubber and he said the TM's are made in China and the rubber could possibly contain contaminants or sub par ingredients whereas the Muiras are made in Italy.

With new rubber, the shoe was fine.

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By Wayne
From Superior, CO
Feb 20, 2011
Got them several years ago and they are a comfortable shoe for my wide feet. The only issue is the one mentioned above - not so sticky rubber. I could smear better with my 5.10 approach shoes! But being a beginning climber I wore them down fairly quickly and got them resoled (Rock and Resole). The guy there said any of the rubbers they used was going to stick better, and he was right.

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By kevin fox
From parker
Feb 20, 2011
cody
what size are you looking for. I have a resoled fairly new pair of trad bastards that I would part with?

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By Aaron Martinuzzi
Feb 20, 2011
end of the day in the black canyon.
not directly relevant to your question, but my TC pros did a pretty excellent job as an “do anything” trad climbing shoe, and didn't have the funky lining that the tradmasters do. I think the only time they disappointed me was on the Vertigo roof, where I could've used some downturn, but that isn't really the shoe's fault.

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By shotwell
Feb 20, 2011
Cindy Mitchell wrote:
Tradmasters are a very comfy crack shoe. I replaced the rubber after 4 days of climbing because I was slipping on footholds I could stick easily with my Muiras. **I know, I know, it could have just been crappy technique** I asked the guy at Rock and Resole about the rubber and he said the TM's are made in China and the rubber could possibly contain contaminants or sub par ingredients whereas the Muiras are made in Italy. With new rubber, the shoe was fine.


FYI, the Tradmaster comes with a different rubber than the Miura.

Tradmaster

Miura

I personally believe the Vibram rubber is vastly superior to the Frixion compounds. YMMV.

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By Monty
From Golden, CO
Feb 20, 2011
Just a teaser
Cindy Mitchell wrote:
Tradmasters are a very comfy crack shoe. I replaced the rubber after 4 days of climbing because I was slipping on footholds I could stick easily with my Muiras.


I like mine in cracks too, but the rubber is horrible, never got around to resoling them, but I'm sure that makes a huge difference. Really nice to have that fleece lining on alpine climbs.

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By Brian in SLC
Feb 20, 2011
Climbing in Smuggler's Notch
I had two pairs, and, blew through the sides of both of them. Not very durable. Kind of a sloppy fit for me. They seemed "cheap".

TC pro's are worth the extra coin, IMHO. I probably have twice the routes as either of the pairs of Tradmasters and they still show very little wear. Great fit.

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By Shane Zentner
From Colorado
Feb 20, 2011
The Sun with Pikes Peak in the distance.  <br />South Platte valley, Fall 2010
Thanks for the responses everyone. How is the sizing for the TC Pro? Is it comparable to the regular sizing fit for La Sportiva in general?

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By mongoose
Feb 20, 2011
buy a half size to size larger in tc pros. i wear 42.5 in miura vs (really tight) and a 44 in tc pros (all day comfort).

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By Chris Plesko
From Westminster, CO
Feb 20, 2011
OMG, I winz!!!
Shane Zentner wrote:
Thanks for the responses everyone. How is the sizing for the TC Pro? Is it comparable to the regular sizing fit for La Sportiva in general?


I wear a 43 Muira VS (too tight for cracks but not killing me) and I'm 43.5 TC Pro based on the ones I tried on though I don't own them yet.

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By rhyang
From San Jose, CA
Feb 20, 2011
21-August-2012: Me just before heading up the Twilight Pillar (III, 5.8+)
TC Pro sizing thread

There are a few others ..

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By David Appelhans
From Lafayette
Feb 20, 2011
Imaginate
Brian in SLC wrote:
I had two pairs, and, blew through the sides of both of them. Not very durable.


My tradmasters blew through the sides too! The first day I used them!

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By -sp
From East-Coast
Feb 21, 2011
Buenos Dias!
Shane Zentner wrote:
I'm looking to replace my eleven year old 5.10 Newtons. I've tried several sizes of the Scarpa Techo with bad results. I own La Sportiva Miuras and love them. However, I'm looking for a stiffer sole, and, I'm hesitant to spend over $150 on shoes. Perhaps that's what's happening these days... Your thoughts, good or bad, regarding the Tradmaster is appreciated. I enjoy edging at Eldo to cracks/slabs in the Platte, to the high peaks in RMNP. -Thank you



I've had a pair for a few years. I found them to be super comfortable, and durable. If you want a shoe for long easy routes they are great, and last year they were popping up on sale pretty regularly. But if you really love your Miura's I'm not sure the Tradmasters will be technical enough.

I bought a pair of TC Pro's this season and I haven't looked back.

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By AWinters
Administrator
From NH
Feb 21, 2011
Red-tail Hawk, Buttermilks
I wouldn't recommend them. Seems like everyone has had issues with them. There are much better shoes out there.

+1 for the TC's

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By Tyrel Fuller
From Denver, CO
Feb 21, 2011
Big Bend
TC Pro's for sure! If I could only own one pair of climbing shoes, it would be these.

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By DFrench
From Cape Ann
Feb 21, 2011
Vervet Monkeys know which site is best.
Alright, all you TC Pro lovers out there. What is the deal with the tongue of the shoe? That's all I can feel grinding into the top of my toes when I wear these. Does this eventually break in? Anyone else have this problem?

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By JacobD
From Flagstaff, AZ
Feb 21, 2011
Me on Half Dome Boulder, Middle Finger of Fury <br /> <br />Awesome problem!
I like the tradmasters. I bought them for around 50$ on Sierra Trading Post, and at first was skeptical about how good they would be. Since, and due to being a poor college student and not being able to afford another pair of shoes right now, I've used them for up to 5.12 sport, 5.11 trad, numerous desert towers, and bouldering, which i majorly suck at, up to v5. While not as sensitive as other shoes they are half the cost of similar shoes. I wouldn't pay full price for them, but for what they are going for on sale they are a steal. Finally they are mega comfortable, a few weekends ago I spent about an hour hiking in them on a descent, and they felt like an awesome approach shoe. If you are strapped for cash I highly recommend them. If not, of course, the TC pro will be a superior shoe.

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By Jon H
From Boulder
Feb 21, 2011
At the matching crux
I have a pair of tradmasters, I'll never buy another pair. Terrible rubber (very slick, no friction at all) and not very comfortable. Seeing as I rate shoes on only 2 criteria, performance and comfort, the Tradmasters have been a major fail for me.

Also, I've had 2 very disappointing experiences with Sportiva customer service in the recent past and don't think I'll be buying any more LS shoes in the future (after owning 2 pairs of Mantras, 2 Miuras, 3 Vipers, Tradmaster, Nepal EVO, and Trango Prime). Oh well La Sportiva, it was nice while it lasted. Your shoes do fit my foot real nice.

I sent out 6 pairs of shoes to be resoled (all the dead shoes from my past 4-5 years of climbing) and the next pair I buy new will probably be 5.10 galileos once the tradmasters die.

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By -sp
From East-Coast
Feb 21, 2011
Buenos Dias!
DFrench wrote:
Alright, all you TC Pro lovers out there. What is the deal with the tongue of the shoe? That's all I can feel grinding into the top of my toes when I wear these. Does this eventually break in? Anyone else have this problem?


The tongue doesn't extend down to the top of my toes. It stops right at the end of my foot (before the toes), and I don't feel any pressure or binding, so maybe I don't understand your issue?

But I will say that the edge of the tongue can roll if you pull on it while putting the shoes on which can cause a pressure point on the edge of the foot. I make sure the laces are loose quite a ways down before I start put them on. Then I pay attention to how it feels while snugging them up.

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By Dan Wachlaczenko
Feb 21, 2011
I have Tradmaster size 43.5 used twice _ will sell cheap- let me know

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By Rich Farnham
Feb 21, 2011
DFrench wrote:
Alright, all you TC Pro lovers out there. What is the deal with the tongue of the shoe? That's all I can feel grinding into the top of my toes when I wear these. Does this eventually break in? Anyone else have this problem?

I definitely get this on my left foot, but not my right for some reason. All I have to do is adjust the tongue slightly before lacing up, and it isn't an issue. I haven't dug down into the boot to see what the issue is, but it feels like the stiching around the edge of the tongue.

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By Jennifer Barton
From Champaign, IL
Feb 22, 2011
Enchanted Rock, TX
mountainproject.com/v/for_sale...

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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
Feb 22, 2011
Why not just get another pair of Newtons? They're making them again.

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