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Feb 7, 2014
Me scaring years off my mom's life
Sometimes, if traffic is really bad, it takes me 15 minutes to get from my house to Little Cottonwood Canyon. And the worst part is trying to decide if I'd rather hit powder or granite!! Sometimes I just can't decide and end up driving all the way to either Moab, Maple, or the City of Rocks (about 2:45 for Moab and the City and 1:15 for Maple).

Sorry - what were y'all arguing about again?
Austin Baird
From SLC, Utah
Joined Apr 26, 2009
101 points
Feb 7, 2014
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Lived in California for many years. Been living here in Colorado for around 4 now.


California wins and I am heading back.

;-)
Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Joined Oct 13, 2002
2,394 points
Feb 7, 2014
Church of the Lost and Found, Left. Summer 2013
JCM wrote:
Funny that you don't even mention the only CA sport crag worth going to. Otherwise, all of your points are solid. You even neglected to put in one of the categories that CA clearly dominates in...weather.


You mean this chosspile?



Weather - with the current drought, i'd be happy with a bit more precip out here myself

I also forgot to add -

Beer - CA has SNPA and CO has Coors. JK, Fat Tire. Winner - OR! (Deschutes beats Sierra or New Belgium)

Ganj - $40 for 3.5g of Humboldt outdoor with a MD scrip vs $60 for chem indo. I'd say CA still wins, ironically. If that's your thing.

JCM wrote:
Yes, we get it, you live in Bishop. We're all jealous. You can stop gloating now.


nanny nanny
Tavis Ricksecker
From Bishop, ca
Joined Dec 30, 2006
3,927 points
Feb 7, 2014
Tbolt summit block (photo by Damien)
J. Albers wrote:
The bivy situation has an easy fix for a fast young lady like yourself though, right? ...car-to-car!! I agree with you though, the camping situation in the Park is a bit dismal. At least in the Meadows you can make the quick drive down Tioga to virtually infinite camping on the Eastside.


C2C is a given. When I say bivy, I mean car bivy so I can get an extra hour+ of sleep instead of driving to the trailhead. With the weather situation in the Park even short routes often require an alpinish start.
fossana
From Sin City & Bishop
Joined Apr 30, 2006
12,408 points
Feb 7, 2014
Yeah, thats the one. Gloriously blocky choss. The finest rock crawling in all the land. JCM
From Seattle, WA
Joined Jun 9, 2008
53 points
Feb 7, 2014
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JCM wrote:
Yeah, thats the one. Gloriously blocky choss. The finest rock crawling in all the land.


A cheap imitation Rifle, I say. :)
Tavis Ricksecker
From Bishop, ca
Joined Dec 30, 2006
3,927 points
Feb 7, 2014
Super crack
For bluegrass fans colorado is hard to beat Ross Hokett
From Little Rock, AR
Joined Jun 19, 2011
210 points
Feb 7, 2014
no
Colorado sucks. Boulder alone ruins 'rado. Austin B said it best. LCC 15 mins away... Moab hours away... the climate around that state, Utah wins guys, by a LONG shot. I'd way rather deal with LDS people that are nice and will help a brother out, than snotty yuppies in CO and CA. Sir Spanxalot
Joined Aug 7, 2012
5 points
Feb 7, 2014
no
Ross Hokett wrote:
For bluegrass fans colorado is hard to beat


Jamgrass and Bluegrass are NOT the same thing, hippy!
Sir Spanxalot
Joined Aug 7, 2012
5 points
Feb 7, 2014
Alex midway up TCT.  Photo by Kim Caovan
Speaking only from my personal experience...

Living in western Colorado is far FAR better than living in coastal California. The lack of crowds and traffic and the proximity to an incredible variety of climbing options in all directions makes it no contest.

Disclaimer(s): I like wingate crack climbing and the desert. I don't care about water sports. I am not a software engineer making a bazillion dollars a year. I would rather go somewhere quiet with minimal crowds and slightly lower quality climbing than go to the best possible climbing and deal with crowds. I don't like driving more than about 2 hours to get to my recreation. I want easy access to open unregulated BLM lands.

But... the Sierra is definitely better than the Rockies for climbing. I don't miss Yosemite, but I do miss Tuolumne and especially High Sierra climbing. The rock here in western Colorado is pretty crap in the mountains. (Apparently RMNP is good, though)
Alexander Nees
From Grand Junction, CO
Joined Apr 20, 2007
776 points
Feb 7, 2014
I lived a 1/2 hour drive from Yosemite for 4 years. Towns near the park leave a bit to be desired. I'm now in western Colorado and love it. Although the climbing nearby doesn't compare to Yosemite/the Sierra, crags are a lot closer and there are no crowds. The lifestyle and climate (for me) are a lot better in Colorado. All a personal preference I guess... Johanna
From Gunnison, CO
Joined Apr 18, 2012
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Feb 8, 2014
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Drew Spaulding wrote:
Travis, the fact that you leave The Black Canyon out of this conversation is absurd. And, most of the incredible walls in RMNP are shorter approaches(2-6 miles) than Pine Creek, Whitney Portal, the Needles, etc. I think if you're talking about "Multi pitch trad climbing"... It is of coarse a toss up, BUT, Winner- seriously debatable...


My name is Tavis, not Travis.

For the Black, see "Big Walls"

For RMNP - See "Alpine Climbing"

I admit the Diamond does look like it owns. But then so does the Incredible Hulk, Mt Russel, Mt Chamberlain, Temple Crag, etc etc.

Pine Creek has an approach of about 2 minutes, Whitney Portal is 10-30 minutes depending on the wall, and the Needles is about 2 miles if I remember right. It's apples to oranges though, as none of these places are "Alpine Climbing", which RMNP is.

The whole post was tongue in cheek, BTW, with a grain of truth. I am sure RMNP is awesome. So is the Sierra.
Tavis Ricksecker
From Bishop, ca
Joined Dec 30, 2006
3,927 points
Feb 8, 2014
SW CO for its lack of people and cheap cost of living as well as its vicinity to the desert makes it perfect for me.

It all depends what you want they are both great playgrounds.
Chris Schmidt
From Grand Junction
Joined Nov 29, 2012
0 points
Feb 8, 2014
Me scaring years off my mom's life
Tavis - I've always wondered what it looks like around Bishop. You don't happen to have any pictures of boulders in the area do you? Austin Baird
From SLC, Utah
Joined Apr 26, 2009
101 points
Feb 8, 2014
Church of the Lost and Found, Left. Summer 2013
Austin Baird wrote:
Tavis - I've always wondered what it looks like around Bishop. You don't happen to have any pictures of boulders in the area do you?


No. It sucks here. No boulders. No cute girls either.



Seriously though, I was just being an ass because someone said you can't live within ten minutes of great climbing in CA, which is simply not true. It is true, however, if your job requires a major urban area.
Tavis Ricksecker
From Bishop, ca
Joined Dec 30, 2006
3,927 points
Feb 8, 2014
Flatirons
So for those of us who do work remotely (no need for major metro area) and like to climb outdoors during the week (need for nearby climbing areas), where would be a good spot?

Personally, I moved to Boulder in June and liked it a lot, except for when it got cold (I don't ski or ice climb). I'm now on a road trip looking for a new spot to settle in for a bit. So far I've hit Moab (too cold right now), Vegas (loved the climbing but not the strip), and am currently in JTree (verdict still out).

Sounds like Bishop might be a good next stop?

Oh and to contribute to the thread for those who don't work remote I'd say Front Range is cool if you like skiing / ice or gym climbing, otherwise you might be SOL for a few months.
Ryan Watts
From Bishop, CA
Joined Apr 15, 2013
49 points
Feb 8, 2014
Church of the Lost and Found, Left. Summer 2013
Ryan Watts wrote:
So far I've hit Moab (too cold right now), Vegas (loved the climbing but not the strip), and am currently in JTree (verdict still out). Sounds like Bishop might be a good next stop?


Nah, it sucks.

Seriously though,

It has been nice up here lately. Drought year makes for great climbing. IMO climbing in Bishop >> climbing in Jtree. Jtree does have a special place in my heart, but it's for the ambience more so than for the rock climbing.
Tavis Ricksecker
From Bishop, ca
Joined Dec 30, 2006
3,927 points
Feb 8, 2014
Flatirons
Tavis Ricksecker wrote:
Nah, it sucks. Seriously though, It has been nice up here lately. Drought year makes for great climbing. IMO climbing in Bishop >> climbing in Jtree. Jtree does have a special place in my heart, but it's for the ambience more so than for the rock climbing.


Yeah, that's kinda been my feeling. So far the climbing has been good but not mind blowing. Great place to just wander around and enjoy the day though.
Ryan Watts
From Bishop, CA
Joined Apr 15, 2013
49 points
Mar 7, 2014
Fitzhume
Fossana posted something on Summitpost a few years ago (when I was moving from LA to Denver) that I still remember... she said the folks in Colorado are always competing in some way or another --- always worried about the result and not the journey...

In my four years in Denver, I have to agree. Sure, there are folks of both walks of life in both places, but I've lived in three countries and four states and I've never been someplace where the 'competition' is so fierce.

DC suckles on the political teet, NYC the money, LA needs attention/fame, SF & Boston brag about how educated they are, but Denver is all about the weekend warrior and how many miles you bike, how much your skis cost, and whether you can climb 5.10 or not... not better or worse, just different... I heard a guy try to pick up a girl in a bar the other night spraying his climbing resume... didn't end well, but the fact was he was trying...

What I'm getting at is that the mentality is different I guess. Both places have thier pluses and minuses, but I often say out loud, "I just need to get back to California where everyone is normal..."

And for the wolves... off the top of my head...

CA wins for drivers, girls, no thunderstorms, Mexican food, and white collar jobs
CO wins for beer, traffic, cost of living, approaches, and Ouray/Lake City/Telluride
Fitzhume
From Orange County
Joined Jan 2, 2011
5 points
Mar 7, 2014
Interesting thoughts Fitz , I had never heard that of CO... vincent L.
From Redwood City
Joined Jan 1, 2005
617 points
Mar 7, 2014
haven't been following this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned. I believe either Rock and Ice or Climbing did an article about what state was better for climbing CO or CA in the late '90s... I believe their conclusion is that UT won. jleining
Joined Apr 28, 2007
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