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By J. Albers
From Colorado
Feb 6, 2014
Bucky

fossana wrote:
You're right S. Price; I should qualify this as my frustration with the Park. The bivy situation anywhere within 30 min of trailheads like Glacier Gorge is dismal.

The bivy situation has an easy fix for a fast young lady like yourself though, right? ...car-to-car!! I agree with you though, the camping situation in the Park is a bit dismal. At least in the Meadows you can make the quick drive down Tioga to virtually infinite camping on the Eastside.


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By The Rope Gun
Feb 6, 2014
Me

When I am in California I miss Colorado, when I am in Colorado I miss California. :)


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By Tavis Ricksecker
From Bishop, ca
Feb 6, 2014
Church of the Lost and Found, Left. Summer 2013

Ross Hokett wrote:
Northstar Tahoe 18" base, Breckenridge 78" base


Yep, we're hosed for snow this year. :( But it all depends on the season.


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By Tavis Ricksecker
From Bishop, ca
Feb 6, 2014
Church of the Lost and Found, Left. Summer 2013

doak wrote:
It's difficult to live/work anywhere in California that has a ton of fantastic climbing 10 minutes away. .


The Buttermilks and the Happies are both exactly ten minutes drive from my front door. Just sayin


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By doligo
Feb 6, 2014
Jose Cuervo Fruitcups dirtbag style

The Blueprint Part Dank wrote:
With all of the major pro sports represented, an unlimited number of quality microbreweries and well, legal weed. Your time off the rope is never going to be boring.


I agree with all you said except for the above statement. There is more to life than climbing, weed, pro sports and beer. If your interests are broader and you are more serious about say baseball, you can't really beat living on the Coasts.


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By knowbuddy
Feb 6, 2014
uh huh

Baseball is lame


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By Tavis Ricksecker
From Bishop, ca
Feb 6, 2014
Church of the Lost and Found, Left. Summer 2013


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By JCM
From Henderson, NV
Feb 6, 2014

Tavis Ricksecker wrote:
The Buttermilks and the Happies are both exactly ten minutes drive from my front door. Just sayin


If your career, lifestyle, and priorities allow you to make it happen to live in Bishop, then CA wins this debate by a huge margin. No question there. Same might be true for Truckee, etc.

If you need to or want to live in a more metropolitan area (job and cultural opportunities), yet still want to have fast access to a vast amount of adequate-quality climbing, CO wins by a big margin. While the cities in CA are bigger and more interesting, and the climbing in CA is more destination-worthy, they are very far apart in that state, and you generally need to choose one or the other. They are much closer together in CO, and you can have both. For the climber, CO generally allows for a more balanced lifestyle.

That said, neither state is necessarily the best. Vegas and the Wasatch eat our lunch. Edit: Actually, that isn't quite correct. Vegas won our lunch from us in a rigged poker match, and then the LDS from SLC politely offered us a replacement lunch.


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By Tom-onator
From This Galaxy
Feb 6, 2014
Tom-onator

I thought the word rado was verboten. Or am I the only one not allowed to use it?
Admins deleted my reference to living in rado springs, someone found it offensive.
Can we get an admin up in here to fix this title? NOT!
The places I'd really like to live in are all in Wyoming and Montana with Custer S.D. finishing up the list.


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By vincent L.
From Redwood City
Feb 6, 2014
First day of school

Lower Travertine....
Lower Travertine....



Carson River hot tub.
Carson River hot tub.



...
...



Saline Valley.
Saline Valley.


...the hot springs edge give the advantage to CA . CA for the win . Are there are springs in CO?


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By KevinCO
From Loveland, CO
Feb 6, 2014

About 20 commercialized hot springs, and maybe 3-4 times as many backcountry hot springs.


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By s.price
From PS,CO
Feb 6, 2014
 Morning Dew ,self portrait

The deepest thermal springs in the world is in CO. I know of 5 in the backcountry within a few miles of my house. Co is covered in hot springs.


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By ChefMattThaner
From Lakewood, co
Feb 6, 2014
ducking ropes at Copper

Ross Hokett wrote:
Northstar Tahoe 18" base, Breckenridge 78" base



+100


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By vincent L.
From Redwood City
Feb 6, 2014
First day of school

awesome , thanks for the info .

Post up some pics !


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By reboot
From Westminster, CO
Feb 6, 2014

Ross Hokett wrote:
Northstar Tahoe 18" base, Breckenridge 78" base

So what's your point? Doesn't matter how much snow Breck has, it's still just...Breck. Besides, it also means Yosemite was balmy this winter, while all of CO is, well, frozen.

I think climbing in CA is much better on many levels. But the places you can make good money has no climbing close by. CO/front range does have a huge leg up on CA in the size & experience of outdoor climbing community; it was much harder than I thought it would to find partners for 5.not_gumbie weekend Yosemite missions. But climbing areas, even the gyms, don't really compare to what the best CA has to offer.


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By knowbuddy
Feb 6, 2014
uh huh

Silverton and wolf creek have alright skiing I heard. Pagosa hot springs after a day at Wolfy vs. the springs on the green church road after a day at mammoth!?


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By The Blueprint Part Dank
From FEMA Region VIII
Feb 6, 2014
Manning face

doligo wrote:
I agree with all you said except for the above statement. There is more to life than climbing, weed, pro sports and beer. If your interests are broader and you are more serious about say baseball, you can't really beat living on the Coasts.


Such as? Good resturaunts? We've got them. Art culture? We've got it. (The First Friday Art Walk on Sante Fe in Denver is quite awesome). Live music? Well, you've got the Boulder Theater, The Ogden, Red Rocks and the First Bank Center to name just a few.

Not trying to be argumentative, but I feel like you'd be hard pressed to name a "broader interest" that the Front Range can't cater to. Except maybe Pentecostal Snake Handling.


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By The Blueprint Part Dank
From FEMA Region VIII
Feb 6, 2014
Manning face

Sailing, scuba diving and surfing.. If you like that stuff, you're SOL


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By reboot
From Westminster, CO
Feb 6, 2014

The Blueprint Part Dank wrote:
Such as? Good resturaunts? We've got them. Art culture? We've got it. (The First Friday Art Walk on Sante Fe in Denver is quite awesome). Live music? Well, you've got the Boulder Theater, The Ogden, Red Rocks and the First Bank Center to name just a few. Not trying to be argumentative, but I feel like you'd be hard pressed to name a "broader interest" that the Front Range can't cater to. Except maybe Pentecostal Snake Handling.

That's kind of like saying CA's got Yosemite and we have The Black just because they are both tall walls. The extent Denver has in the areas you've listed pales in comparison to what's available in CA.


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By s.price
From PS,CO
Feb 6, 2014
 Morning Dew ,self portrait

2 out of 3 isn't bad Dank but we actually have some pretty good sailing in CO. We sail at Navajo all the time. DWS off the boat and ton's of bouldering on the shores. I travel a couple of times a year to get my surfing fix but steer away from CA as a rule. Too crowded for my taste.


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By The Rope Gun
Feb 7, 2014
Me

hahaha there IS sailing in Colorado? Seriously? Do you even know what sailing is?
Oh, man, you either live a sheltered life or you are just an idiot. :)


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By jon vandub
From westminster,co
Feb 7, 2014

Ive lived in rockalado and ive lived IN yosemite. i LOVE both places..but colorado by far!!

Waay less driving, soo many different kinds of climbing and rock in a drive less than a quarter of the distance from the valley to jtree.

california has more big formations but its seems colorado has more routes per rock.

lifetime or 2 of climbing in eldo alone.

Although..... The east side is ONE MAGICAL PLACE!

COLORADO!!!


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By Tavis Ricksecker
From Bishop, ca
Feb 7, 2014
Church of the Lost and Found, Left. Summer 2013

A highly objective, extensively researched, issue by issue comparison.

Winter bouldering - CA has Bishop and Joshua Tree, CO has the low elevation areas of the front range. Winner - CA by a mile

Summer bouldering - CA has Way Lake, Tuolumne, Camp 4, Black Mountain, Tahoe, Tramway. CO has RMNP and Mt Evans. Winner - CO by a nose

Sport climbing - This may be controversial, but neither CA nor CO truly have world class sport climbing. CA has the ORG, Shuteye Ridge, certain zones at Tahoe, Mickeys Beach, So Cal choss. CO has Rifle, Shelf Road, BoCan, Clear Creek. Winner - CO

Single pitch crack climbing. Again, disagree if you like, but neither CA nor CO have a great concentration of high quality single pitch cracks in one place. CA has classics that are scattered around, as does CO - but CO has a bit of wingate and it's closer to the Creek. Again, winner is CO.

Multi pitch trad climbing - CA has Yosemite, Pine Creek, Whitney Portal, the Needles, etc. CO has Eldo, Lumpy, Flatirons, Splatte. Winner - Clearly CA

Big Walls - CA has Yosemite. End of story

Alpine - This point is arguable but I'm going to opine that the Sierra has more and better quality alpine rock climbing than the Rockies. Winner - CA

Ice - CO, no contest.

Mountain Biking - CA has Tahoe and Santa Cruz but CO has slickrock. I'm going with CO on this one.

Skiing and snowboarding - CO has better snow but CA has more of it (usually) and a more stable backcountry snowpack, also CA has longer lift lines and more gapers but CO's skiier's are snootier. Winner - Tossup

Surfing and lesser water sports - Duh.

Jobs - Both have major metropolitan areas, but CO has more cubicles close to the climbing than CA does.

People - CA has more cultural diversity, which is a good thing or a bad thing depending on if you are on the blue team or the red team ;) Both states have legions of posers, from the hippier than thou of Berkeley and the hipsters of Frisco to the tatted douchbags of SoCal to the trustafarians of Boulder. Coloradans are stronger at rock climbing in general but are also more annoying, except those from Durango who are actually pretty cool. Winner - Tossup

Overall winner? CO BY A MILE. CA isn't really even worth a visit if you live in Colorado. Unless you are from Durango in which case hit me up when you're in town.


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By Tavis Ricksecker
From Bishop, ca
Feb 7, 2014
Church of the Lost and Found, Left. Summer 2013

Meanwhile, ten minutes from my door -


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By JCM
From Henderson, NV
Feb 7, 2014

Tavis Ricksecker wrote:
Sport climbing ... CA has the ORG, Shuteye Ridge, certain zones at Tahoe, Mickeys Beach, So Cal choss.



Funny that you don't even mention the only CA sport crag worth going to.


Otherwise, all of your points are solid. You even neglected to put in one of the categories that CA clearly dominates in...weather.


Tavis Ricksecker wrote:
Meanwhile, ten minutes from my door -


Yes, we get it, you live in Bishop. We're all jealous. You can stop gloating now.


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