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By Andre H.
From An uplifted state
Feb 5, 2014

So I was reading a thread over on ST a few months ago and some guy satirized a lot of 'rado-centric behaviors,b ut actually lead to me thinking...is the 'rado better than CA as a place to live for cli;mbing? CA has more tall stuff, but the 'rado has more scrappy routes. :)

What say you?


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By TBrumme
From denver, co
Feb 5, 2014

I've lived in both states. Colorado is definitely better, unless you live within 1 hour of Yosemite, Joshua Tree, or the High Sierras. Not sure what you mean by scrappy routes.


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By David A
From Broomfield, CO
Feb 5, 2014
Hanging out after climbing a route in Eldo on a cold day.

I have also lived in both states. IMO, Sierras > Rockies. That beautiful, flawless, white High Sierra Granite runs laps around the choss lumps that exist over here, scenery and climbing wise. As for actual living, Colorado is better if you are anywhere west of the Front Range cluster f*ck of suburban facelessness. That said, it's still better than the Bay Area/LA/San Diego mega metropolises.

Living in the CA central valley would most definitely suck, but proximity to amazing climbing wouldn't make it too bad.

Living in way eastern Colorado wouldn't be too good for a climber.

Living in the actual Sierras/anywhere on the East Side would trump anywhere in Colorado though.


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By Buff Johnson
Feb 5, 2014
smiley face

living in rado sux, stay in ca


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By Cor
Feb 5, 2014
black nasty

ShredDogs from the RADo are SCRAPPY compared to the softies from Cali… ;D


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By DoesNotCare
From Heaven
Feb 5, 2014
Are you Chicken, or fishy?

Weeds legal in CO. . .


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By fossana
From Boulder, CO
Feb 5, 2014
West Overhang

David A pretty much sums it up.

Adding a few additional benefits to the Sierra:

  • the high concentration of phenomenal alpine routes within ~150 miles of the range from Bridgeport to Lone Pine with Yosemite intersecting the middle of the range
  • far less frequent t-storms
  • most of the trailheads are on National Forest (versus National Park) land so no one cares if you bivy at the trailhead

Having lived both on the E Side and the Front Range, I will add that Eldo provides a better local option for winter trad than what you'd get in Bishop, but you still have sport, bouldering and places like J-tree and Red Rocks within ~4.5 hrs.


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By Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Feb 5, 2014
Big Boulder, just a bit downhill from Temple of Kali. Alabama Hills, CA.

This must be a troll.....


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By Norm Larson
From Wilson, Wy.
Feb 5, 2014

End of discussion right there for many.


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By Ryan Kempf
From Boulder, CO
Feb 5, 2014
Ryan on the Sharks Fin wishing he was on Mt. Whiteny.

Boulder isn't CA??? That's news to me.


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By knowbuddy
Feb 5, 2014
uh huh

Western Colorado ain't bad


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By s.price
From PS,CO
Feb 5, 2014
 Morning Dew ,self portrait

fossana, you must be referring to RMNP. Damn near all trailheads in rado are on National Forest land.


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By Jack Ziegler
From Lakewood, CO
Feb 5, 2014
me

I went to grad school in SoCal. Been in Denver 9 months now.
If you have a job that requires you to be near a large city, then living in Boulder, Denver, or Golden is a much better situation that living in LA, the Bay, or San Diego. I do not miss driving 6 hours to Yosemite, 4.5 to Bishop, 4 to Red rocks or 2.5 to Jtree or 2 to Tahquitz. Plenty of long and back country routes in CO, if you get out to the Black canyon, RMNP, and South Platte.
Only thing I miss about CA is the more consist weather for winter rock climbing in JTree. If I could work out of my car or from home, I would say CA and CO are equivalent.


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By george wilkey
From travelers rest sc
Feb 5, 2014
me

live in western Colorado. it's the best of all climbing worlds. you get all that 'rado has to offer plus all the best of Utah is just as close.


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By Robin like the bird
From mountain center ,CA
Feb 5, 2014
oh

Arizona beats both states and we are nihilists so it does not matter loboski. We care about nothing.


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By Ryan N
From Lone Tree, Colorado
Feb 5, 2014
RJN

Having lived in both southern and northern California and in several areas of Colorado IMO, Cali has way more exploring and climbing than in Co. Colorado is beautiful, but actually kinda kinda monotonous. One of my my favorite sayings is Wyoming is Colorados best kept secret.


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By doak
From boulder, co
Feb 5, 2014
Drinking with Moses

It's difficult to live/work anywhere in California that has a ton of fantastic climbing 10 minutes away.

And, if you look at a 6 hour radius in Colorado, you include some areas in Utah and Wyoming.

California has amazing climbing, fer sure, but it takes a lot more time and driving to access it.

Which is better? I'd say it depends upon your lifestyle.


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By The Blueprint Part Dank
Feb 5, 2014
Manning face

I think the general idea here is that it's all about where you live in each state.

I agree with disgust at the urban sprawl, and truly world class ice climbing opportunities within a 2 hr are more limited than in SW Colorado. But honestly, I just can't imagine any area in California competes with the Front Range in terms of Liveability for a climber.

The Denver-Boulder area has a booming economy with varied job opportunities and a great social scene. With all of the major pro sports represented, an unlimited number of quality microbreweries and well, legal weed. Your time off the rope is never going to be boring.

Then there's the climbing. At my last count there are ten climbing gyms in Denver/Golden/Boulder, the SPlatte, Eldorado Canyon and Lumpy ridge have enough world class multi pitch cragging to last a lifetime, Clear Creek Canyon has sport climbs galore and while not as splitter as the High Sierra, RMNP has plenty of killer alpine climbing to keep you busy. Then in the winter you're never more than a 2 hr drive to awesome skiing/snowboarding (even if you take the I-70 mountains out of the equation, because well, traffic sucks). Not to mention all of the killer places to simply take a hike if you're feeling burned out on climbing. (With five 14ers to peak bag within an hour and a half of Denver.)

And that's all without mentioning all of the Bouldering in Morrison, Boulder Canyon, Mt. Evans and Flagstaff Mountain, or the more or less serviceable ice climbing at Lincoln Falls and in RMNP.

The answer to a topic like this is generally finding the balance where the climbing/working/lifestyle options all converge. And on that Venn Diagram, the Colorado Fromt range hits that sweet spot better than any place in America.


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By Step hen
From Fort Collins, CO
Feb 5, 2014
Boulder Canyon <br /> <br />photo by Curt

Dank, I agree with a lot of the things you said but I would not say that just because X activity is within a two-hour drive away makes the FR a great place. That's why everybody in Colorado is on the road all the time to do what they want (hence our horrible traffic problem), though I guess the same could be said for the California metro areas.


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By Ryan Watts
From Bishop, CA
Feb 5, 2014
Flatirons

Front Range Summer/Fall -> Joshua Tree Winter/Early Spring.

Problem solved.


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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
Feb 5, 2014

Hmm. Flip flops or snow shovel. Flip flops or snow shovel. Tough decision.


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By NorCalNomad
From San Francisco
Feb 5, 2014

The surfing is sure better here in CA.


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By fossana
From Boulder, CO
Feb 5, 2014
West Overhang

s.price wrote:
fossana, you must be referring to RMNP. Damn near all trailheads in rado are on National Forest land.


You're right S. Price; I should qualify this as my frustration with the Park. The bivy situation anywhere within 30 min of trailheads like Glacier Gorge is dismal.


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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Feb 5, 2014
tanuki

I like chocolate.


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By Kirk L
Feb 5, 2014

Ryan N wrote:
One of my my favorite sayings is Wyoming is Colorados best kept secret.



Yep!


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By Ross Hokett
From Fort collins,Colorado
Feb 5, 2014
Super crack

Northstar Tahoe 18" base, Breckenridge 78" base


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