By Fat Dad
From Los Angeles, CA
May 23, 2012
| shuminW wrote: It's nice to visit once or twice if you are from out of town. But if you make it a destination from far away, you will likely be disappointed.
If you're referring to Josh, your opinion will be in a very small minority. World class climbing area--beautiful, unique and diverse.
BTW, this thread is a total troll. Either that or the OP is a both doofus and a newbie. Nothing wrong with the latter; obvious problems with the former. Combine those two qualities with the internet and you get posts like these. | 
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By Unassigned User
May 23, 2012
| Ok I have Chilli Peppers, They have worked great in J-Tree. What kind of gear should I bring to Zion with me? I mean I have a harness and top rope set up. Is that enough? |
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By Rob Selter
From running springs Ca
May 23, 2012
| All I know is people seem to think of Josh as a world class desination. I have ran into pepole from everywhere out there. From euro trash to climbers from Colorado |
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By Ryan N
From Bay Area
May 23, 2012
| Keep pounding hard Ellanor! If you can't pound it just "aide" up it. You will do fine. And yea November is a great time for Zion, just watch out it is rattlesnake season too! Take lots of pictures and pound on pounder. |
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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
May 23, 2012
| shuminW wrote: I was referring to both JTree & Eldo. What's your definition of a world class climbing area?
Shumin is mostly right...for someone climbing at his level anyway. JT is a world class hang, and a world class 5.7-5.10 area, maybe even to 11-. But above that, the volume of quality routes is much lower, less diversity, etc.
However, for say 13s, it starts to come into its own again. The climbing becomes really interesting and bouldery, the gear is tricky...and they're sandbagged to boot, you get things like "13b" routes with V9 crux, 13a's with V8+ cruxes and no rests, etc. Not a ton of them, but outside the big clip-up areas like Rifle/RRG, not a ton of 13s in any one area really. Not to imply that Shumin doesn't climb 13s, I think he does, point being it's not as good in the 11s and 12s as the 9s and 10s.
I encourage everyone to visit, our town is poor and tourism is just about the only thing driving the economy. Come climb, eat in our restaurants, buy some gear at Nomad Ventures, and enjoy the gem of the Mojave. |
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By Fat Dad
From Los Angeles, CA
May 23, 2012
| shuminW wrote: What's your definition of a world class climbing area?
I think this answer is going to vary alot depending on who's answering it. It reminds me of a line in an old Supreme Court case involving a definition of pornography, to paraphrase, 'it's hard to describe but I know it when I see it'.
Clearly a place like the Valley will fit the bill, Arapiles perhaps. I don't believe that it has to be an area that appeals to all people at all times, but that certainly helps. I know some folks who think Hueco is awesome, and it is for bouldering but little else. That topic is probably deserving of it's own thread. |
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By caughtinside
From Oakland CA
May 23, 2012
| Josh is both a world class area and a local area. Personally I love it and visit as often as possible, but its a relatively easy hit for me. One of the biggest attractions it has is the season, there's a solid 4 month window there over the winter where most other places are pretty much out. Josh can get cold n' nasty then too, but weather reports seem reliable down there.
Now, to plan that trip to Castlewood... |
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By William Nelson
From Cave Creek, AZ
May 23, 2012
| Castlewood? Never heard of it. Everyone has heard of JT and not just because of the U2 album. JT has great weather from late fall to early spring, easy, short, flat approaches, tons of good to great moderate trad routes (5.6-5.10), etc. Anyone lucky enough to live near Palm Springs has Tahquitz and Suicide in the Summer and JT in the Winter. The only challenge with JT is that during high season, too many people all trying to get on the popular routes. |
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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
May 23, 2012
| Ryan N wrote: Keep pounding hard Ellanor! If you can't pound it just "aide" up it. You will do fine. And yea November is a great time for Zion, just watch out it is rattlesnake season too! Take lots of pictures and pound on pounder.
I need a pounding mentor. |
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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
May 23, 2012
| Will S wrote: Shumin is mostly right...for someone climbing at his level anyway. JT is a world class hang, and a world class 5.7-5.10 area, maybe even to 11-. But above that, the volume of quality routes is much lower, less diversity, etc. However, for say 13s, it starts to come into its own again. The climbing becomes really interesting and bouldery, the gear is tricky...and they're sandbagged to boot, you get things like "13b" routes with V9 crux, 13a's with V8+ cruxes and no rests, etc. Not a ton of them, but outside the big clip-up areas like Rifle/RRG, not a ton of 13s in any one area really. Not to imply that Shumin doesn't climb 13s, I think he does, point being it's not as good in the 11s and 12s as the 9s and 10s. I encourage everyone to visit, our town is poor and tourism is just about the only thing driving the economy. Come climb, eat in our restaurants, buy some gear at Nomad Ventures, and enjoy the gem of the Mojave.
Nomad Venture totally rocked! They were very friendly and helpful
Totally check their shop when u r in the area! Thank you guys. We were just passing by and picked the wrong month. |
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By Rob Selter
From running springs Ca
May 23, 2012
| Buddy why didn't you head up to Tahquitz or even Big bear? I am surprised you didn't die of heat stroke out there! Next time PM me I might be able to help you out! |
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By Jim Amidon
May 23, 2012
| Dude is a TROLL and keeps baiting the willing.......
NOT HIS/HER FIRST POST
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL AND THE TROLL DIES>>>>>> |
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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
May 24, 2012
| Rob Selter wrote: Buddy why didn't you head up to Tahquitz or even Big bear? I am surprised you didn't die of heat stroke out there! Next time PM me I might be able to help you out!
Sweet! We were pressed for time making our way back to Colorado. We shall return to the west soon. Thanx all! |
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