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By coop
From Glenwood Springs, CO
Dec 24, 2012
Indian Creek Climbing

Opinions? Likes & Dislikes?

First Ascent Accelerant

Marmot Variant


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By shoo
From Boston, Massachusetts
Dec 24, 2012
Rock wars, Red River Gorge

Neat idea, but I don't really see the practical side vs just having a base layer and insulated shell. You save a little bulk, I suppose, but lose a ton of versatility.


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By Dane
Dec 24, 2012
Cham '11

More versital I think.

Many more out there. Some better than others.


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By Josh Olson
From madison, wisconsin
Dec 24, 2012
Looking at a 5.7 crack with Nick

I love the variant. Great over a baselayer until around 10 degrees for me, and it layers well.


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By coop
From Glenwood Springs, CO
Dec 25, 2012
Indian Creek Climbing

Dane,

What ones do you rank at the top of the list and why?

Dane wrote:
More versital I think. Many more out there. Some better than others.


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By Ryan Williams
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From London (sort of)
Dec 25, 2012
El Chorro

This is the new thing in the outdoor apparel game. A few have been around for a while (Patagonia, few others) but now it seems everyone is doing jackets like this. Even my company is doing one next year, and we're more of a trekking and lifestyle brand than a climbing company.

I think they have their place, just like other specialty products. The Variant is basically taking a hardfaced fleece base layer and a thin windproof vest and combining them. I think they also make one with a hood. Plenty of people out there who wear vests to keep their core warm - the idea behind these "hybrid" jackets is the same.

The FA one is more like a full shell though. Not quite a hybrid in the same way as the Variant is - IMHO.


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By Dane
Dec 25, 2012
Cham '11

MERRY CHRISMAS everyone!

Hey Coop. I'm no expert but I have been collecting some of the newest hybrid samples for a review that I'll have up in a month or two.

Hard shell/soft shell examples, differing amounts of insulation or differing fabrics. All Hybrids really, to better fit the amount of effort and or more anatomically correct.

Swix did a hybrid 10 years ago or more. But certainly not one of the first. That one has a super thin stretch back, lightly insulated wind shell front for cross country skiing. I of course snagged one and used it for trail runnning in winter and quick trips in the mtns where a pack covers your back. I still use it. Outdoor Research has been doing a few for almost forever. I had to laugh as I just got a Patagonia Piton Hybrid soft shell they are hyping right now. Piton is simply a copy of my OR. But my OR is a couple of seasons old and 1/2 the price. SAG has been doing a merino wool and 60g Primaloft 1 I like.

Another long time favorite of mine is the now discontinued Eddie Bauer Frontpoint, that again Patagonia recently copied and calls the Mixed Guide Jacket. Arcteyx hit a home run with the Atom LT, another hybrid. I suspect the Aphix will be another hit with 80g instead of 60g insulation and even more venting on the sides and arms. Another one I am stoked to see showing up.

I like the Accelerant but wish the hood were able to go over the helmet. The Camp SkiMo shell is the unltimate...no back panel required :) Cabellas has one of the best I think. Three differnt Polartec fabrics used for best effect anatomically.

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I understand the comment "not very versital"...but once you start using them I find I can use a hybrid (if you pick the right one for your activity) over a much broader range of tempertures and activity levels than say a full on insulated jacket.

If you think about it even pit zips were an early effort to build a hybrid.

I recently asked a company to build a specific hybrid for my own use..60g and 40g insulation, pull over, helmet hood, and a mess, non insulated back panel. The said may be so I bought a pullover Atom LT. Ripped it open and sewed on a mess back panel. With a pack it rocks @ 6oz :)


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