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Nov 11, 2010
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[update]

The remains were found to be John Rosholt. www.mountainproject.com/v/nevada/john_rosholt_rip/106964267

RIP

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Tyson Anderson
From SLC, UT
Joined May 14, 2007
130 points
Nov 11, 2010
Growing a winter coat in Red Rock Canyon- December...
I wonder if they are in fact "human remains" or did the newspaper jump to conclusions. If it is human, they should look into some of the cases, depending on how old the remains are, of hikers, climbers, and suicidal folks reported missing over the years in Southern Nevada. That area isn't the most ideal of "body dumping" grounds for criminals in our neck of the woods. Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
Joined May 25, 2005
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Nov 11, 2010
Did they only find the spine and it said it was wrapped in a T shirt, thats some weird stuff right there! JPVallone
Joined Aug 25, 2004
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Nov 11, 2010
Growing a winter coat in Red Rock Canyon- December...
Animals probably hauled off most of the body, and bones. Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
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Nov 11, 2010
mmmm....tree
I don't like being morbid,but this makes me wonder; what happened to Rosholt? A lot of unknowns left after a short blurb like that. Joe Huggins
From Grand Junction
Joined Oct 4, 2001
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Nov 12, 2010
Claret, FR. at the base of Kilotonnique!
Joe Huggins wrote:
I don't like being morbid,but this makes me wonder; what happened to Rosholt? A lot of unknowns left after a short blurb like that.

John was a very talented climber, strong, experienced and very analytical - I don't believe that he would have ended up soloing in Black Velvet Canyon after leaving his vehicle (a Toyota 4WD) in the Silverton's parking lot. But I have to admit that when I heard this report, it made me think of John. And, after hearing the news, another local climber texted me wondering if they'd finally found him. Ultimately, I believe that John was too proficient a climber for it to cause his disappearance.
Danny Meyers
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Nov 27, 2006
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Nov 12, 2010
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Dan Meyers wrote:
John was a very talented climber, strong, experienced and very analytical - I don't believe that he would have ended up soloing in Black Velvet Canyon after leaving his vehicle (a Toyota 4WD) in the Silverton's parking lot. But I have to admit that when I heard this report, it made me think of John. And, after hearing the news, another local climber texted me wondering if they'd finally found him. Ultimately, I believe that John was too proficient a climber for it to cause his disappearance.

Rick Blair wrote:
Isn't there a lot of UFO activity in that there desert around Vegas?


Hmmmm. Could be.
Bill Duncan
From Jamestown, CO
Joined Mar 30, 2005
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Nov 12, 2010
Where exactly was this?
Anywhere near the base of Prince of Darkness gets 15 visitors a week?

How come noone has seen this before?
alpinglow
From city, state
Joined Mar 12, 2001
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Nov 13, 2010
South of Windy Peak
Here's a link to a report on the KVBC website with video:

Hikers find partial human spine in Red Rock Conservation Area
John Hegyes
From Las Vegas, NV
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Nov 13, 2010
Climbing at Morro Anhangava in Southern Brasil.  (...
I find it odd they talk about the remoteness of the area. Each time I've ever been there I've been one of a dozen or so parties between Frogland and Epi on any given day; it just gets a lot of traffic.

Very weird it hasn't been seen before.
GMBurns
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Nov 13, 2010
Growing a winter coat in Red Rock Canyon- December...
It could have been washed down from somewhere during rains. It rarely rains in Southern Nevada, but when it does it pours, and if you have ever been out in Red Rock in downpours, you'll know that waterfalls come out of nowhere (quite beautiful, actually); tearing through gulleys, and pouring down the canyon walls (pay extra attention to all the water streaks on Red Rock Canyon's walls if you're climbing in inclement weather, and be cautious in gulleys, and in chimneys- y'all should know this already). Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
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Nov 14, 2010
Girls W/ proud Dad.
GMBurns wrote:
I find it odd they talk about the remoteness of the area. Each time I've ever been there I've been one of a dozen or so parties between Frogland and Epi on any given day; it just gets a lot of traffic. Very weird it hasn't been seen before.


Define remote. Many perhaps not enough, find anything beyond the pavement is remote.
Sims
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Nov 14, 2010
Relaxing at the P1 belay of Fruit Loops at Rumblin...
I recall when John Rosholt was reported missing on rc.com years ago, and for some reason it's haunted me ever since. I didn't know him, but something just seemed lonely and unfair about his disappearance. I thought about him in particular when my partner and I did Johnny Vegas a couple of years ago (supposedly that was Rosholt's nickname).

Sorry to interrupt the levity that seems to go along with the discovery of some unfortunate person's remains, but if this turns out to be Rosholt, I hope this brings peace to his spirit and to those who miss him.

JL
saxfiend
From Decatur, GA
Joined Nov 14, 2006
4,571 points
Nov 14, 2010
OK, Rosholt story.

John and Peder Ourom were working on a new pitch on the Squamish Buttress. This new pitch was right beside the 10c pitch. Anybody who has climbed in Squamish knows that, on weekend afternoons, this pitch is a bottleneck, where party after party throws themselves at it and lineups are long. Fortunately, there is a palatial balcony from which to watch the action.

Anyway, Rosholt is up there in his aiders, flicking rocks out of the 12- crack they are working on. And along comes a guided party. The guide gets up in a huff when the odd bit of moss and pebble come down from the new crack fifteen feet right of the tourist route.

"Hey!" he yells up at Rosholt, "would you mind waiting until my clients and I have climbed past?"

"No way" says Rosholt, "progress can't wait!" They sent a few hours later and they called the pitch Progress Can't Wait.
harihari
From VANCOUVER
Joined Jun 30, 2010
104 points
Nov 14, 2010
mmmm....tree
Dan Meyers wrote:
John was a very talented climber, strong, experienced and very analytical -

I'm not suggesting that John was soloing;(he talked me into tandem-soloing the Bulge in Eldo...he went first). I think I'm like a lot of people who wonder if he pissed off the wrong guy by winning his money in a game of Holdem. If you've played poker with Rosholt, you know not to take more money than you could afford to lose, and he was making his living at it long before it was a TV show. I realize that it's a pretty long stretch to imagine that some nefarious asshole killed him and dumped his body in Black Velvet; but it makes me wonder, and it makes me sad to think that we may never know what happened to him.
Joe Huggins
From Grand Junction
Joined Oct 4, 2001
177 points
Nov 15, 2010
Bouldering at right side of Sun Deck
He was a close friend and a strong climbing force to all of those in the climbing community in Gunnison in the 70's. He and I were in the geology department together @ WSC. I have a ton of "Gambler" stories, as do most that ever spent any time with him. Good Guy!!

John in happier times:


Climbers picnic - Spring 1976 -
Climbers picnic - Spring 1976 -
YDPL8S
From Santa Monica, Ca.
Joined Aug 7, 2003
933 points
Nov 15, 2010
The Vampire
I was on Dream of Wild Turkeys on Friday when the helicopter came in for the recovery operation. It went to the top of the route, then hovered over our heads for about 30 minutes. It left, then came back later. We assumed they were looking for a party that got caught out Thursday night. It was 24 deg. F at the trail head when we started, so a bivy would be no fun. It's sad to hear that someone lost their life up there. Nate natebloser
Joined Aug 21, 2009
13 points
Nov 15, 2010
Rack
My gut feeling is that these remains are not John.
Why would he leave his packed vehicle in the casino parking lot to go 3rd classing in Black Velvet Canyon? How many mob wet workers are competent climbers capable of depositing a stiff well off the deck? I'd think none. I hope they figure this out and bring closure to someone's family and friends. RIP.
phil broscovak
Joined Apr 27, 2002
1,616 points
Nov 15, 2010
Bouldering at right side of Sun Deck
I agree Phil. YDPL8S
From Santa Monica, Ca.
Joined Aug 7, 2003
933 points
Nov 15, 2010
Rack
Can any of you local Las Vegans fill in some info? Like where and how high up the cliff were the rest of the remains found? phil broscovak
Joined Apr 27, 2002
1,616 points
Nov 15, 2010
new toy
The news stories were pretty bad, they kept saying they thought it was a hiker but then described a technical rescue making it sound like it was high on the wall somewhere.

Anyone out in the canyon that day that might have accurate info?
Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Joined Sep 14, 2008
191 points
Nov 15, 2010
The Vampire
We stopped at pitch 10 on DOWT. All the action was a few hundred feet higher. I've never been on top, but I think it's easy 5th and 4th class up there. natebloser
Joined Aug 21, 2009
13 points
Nov 15, 2010
new toy
Interesting, I didn't realize it was so high on the wall. I think that area is a bunch of easy 5th, 4th class, but then a headwall that leads to the false summitt of Black Velvet. In that case it could be a hiker who fell from the false summitt area? Who knows, will be interesting to hear what they find out. Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Joined Sep 14, 2008
191 points
Nov 15, 2010
Climbing at Morro Anhangava in Southern Brasil.  (...
Sims wrote:
Define remote. Many perhaps not enough, find anything beyond the pavement is remote.



inaccessible, sparsely populated, far away, etc.

I realize that for the vast majority of people popping tokens into slot machines that BVC is remote, but for the people who use it on a regular basis, the approach is reasonable (the hardest part being the final uphill) and the area is frequented by quite a few people on a daily basis. My point is that these remains weren't not discovered because the remoteness of the area kept people away.

I got the impression they (the stories) were suggesting the remains hadn't been found due to the remoteness of the area, which, when one considers how many climbers access this area on a regular basis, isn't the case at all.
GMBurns
Joined Jul 15, 2008
523 points
Nov 15, 2010
Rack
I realize that the average TV talking head has about as much understanding of climbing as a turnip but the reports are contradictory and confusing. It sounds as if the spine was found near the base trail and the rest of the remains were substantially higher on the wall. Curiouser and curiouser. phil broscovak
Joined Apr 27, 2002
1,616 points
Administrator
Nov 16, 2010
Trying to stay warm up on Brownstone Wall Red Rock...
Rest in Peace whomever this lost soul was....

Looks like a great case for CSI Las Vegas crew?
Burt Lindquist
From Madison, WI
Joined Jan 1, 2002
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