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May 28, 2012
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Looking at getting a set of halves, for their obvious advantages in many scenarios, and thinking a pair of 50m ~8mm's would be cheaper, lighter, and slightly easier to manage at belays than 60's.

I very rarely see routes that require rappels longer than 165', and was wondering how often you are glad you are carrying around that extra 20m of line. Does anyone even buy 70m+ halves? It seems like pulling a knot that far is a recipe for disaster?

For the record, I already have a couple of 60m single ropes.
Simon Hatfield
From Oakland, CA
Joined Apr 22, 2010
268 points
May 28, 2012
I've got 2 50 meters. My only complaint is not running 60m lead pitches. I havent lead to 2 70s, but that just seems like WAY too much imo. 2 50s is hella-light. I'd stick with either 50s or maybe 60s if you are constantly running it to the end of your 60m single. Pete Spri
Joined Jun 1, 2009
139 points
May 28, 2012
There were many times last summer when having double 60m routes was useful. The extra length was great for combining pitches on the ascent. The extra ten meters saved us a couple pitches and a bunch of uncomfortable stances on Pingora alone. Another good reason for 60m lines is that it allows you to skip anchors on rappels that are set up for a single 60m. That halves the number of raps you have to do. Dobson
From Butte, MT
Joined Oct 20, 2011
187 points
May 28, 2012
Chillin' at City of Rocks
Halfs.....half the length
Doubles.....double the length

:-D


PS: 60 m is my choice
Princess Mia
From Vail
Joined May 22, 2006
427 points
May 28, 2012
Rrrrr
Doubles -- double the time it takes to rappel.


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Buff Johnson
Joined Dec 19, 2005
1,499 points
May 28, 2012
70m ... ive been glad of them to skip a rappel or two ... or linking pitches bearbreeder
Joined Mar 1, 2009
2,153 points
May 28, 2012
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This thread addresses your question:

mountainproject.com/v/half-rop...

Edit: I just noticed you have the same last name as the OP on the other thread, strange...
Alicia Sokolowski
From Brooklyn, NY
Joined Aug 11, 2010
425 points
May 28, 2012
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Alicia,

Thanks! I did search for a similar thread before posting, but obviously not very hard.

I appreciate all the responses

-Simon
Simon Hatfield
From Oakland, CA
Joined Apr 22, 2010
268 points
May 28, 2012
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Simon Hatfield wrote:
Alicia, Thanks! I did search for a similar thread before posting, but obviously not very hard. I appreciate all the responses -Simon


So, I have to ask, are you related to the other Hatfield or is this name just way more common than I realize?

p.s. it was not super obvious if you searched double ropes. It was at least a couple pages in, so no worries.
Alicia Sokolowski
From Brooklyn, NY
Joined Aug 11, 2010
425 points
May 28, 2012
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My guess is that 15 out of 16 times the 50m work; then you hit the 60m route/rap. Depends where you climb. This happened to me not that long ago, I'd buy 60m since new routes are getting longer. rob bauer
From Golden, CO
Joined Dec 2, 2004
1,736 points
May 29, 2012
cant imagine the need for a 70m half rope, as the point of a 70m line is to link pitches/rap with a single line.

60m, though, because every once in awhile, you want that full 197' of rope for a rap.
John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
2,395 points
May 29, 2012
70 meter half ropes.... goatdavemac
From Flat Rock, NC
Joined Mar 16, 2011
5 points
May 29, 2012
Thunderbolt Peak in the Palisades
I recently bought 60m twin ropes. I tested them out on snake dike in yosemite. The first pitch wanders and I was suprised to see how close I was to the end of the rope when I got to the belay station. The rest of the pitches would have easily taken a 50m rope.

If you don't mind the occasional simult climb or funny belay spot then I think you could get away with 50m doubles.
randy88fj62
Joined May 28, 2010
67 points
May 29, 2012
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I've found 60m doubles to work fine everywhere. 190 feet for rapping has always been more than needed.

By the way, even when I could rap on just one of the pair, I've found it better to use both. Rather than pulling 30m of rope through the rap anchor, you just thread an end, tie 'em together, and go. And the fact that the ropes are typically too long for the rap in question means that the going-off-the-end accident, a relatively common one for experienced climbers, is far less likely, and you also eliminate that type of accident when it is caused by uneven ends.

The downside, of course, is the potential for hanging up the joining knot, so in some areas---Red Rock comes to mind---it might be better to use just one rope when you can, although I have always used both in Red Rock (joined by an EDK of course) and, although I have hung a rappel once at RR, it wasn't at the knot and I've never had an EDK hang anywhere.
rgold
From Poughkeepsie, NY
Joined Feb 15, 2008
308 points
May 29, 2012
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own 70m doubles and dont mind the extra 30 ft allows for linking pitches nicely. A friend has 80 m doubles which makes linking pitches on Laurel Knob pretty awesome, but they are a total pain in the ass. Stick with 60-70m doubles rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
Joined Dec 20, 2009
253 points
May 29, 2012
Rock wars, Red River Gorge
The Brits tend to like their 50m doubles, but that's mostly because the trad there is short with wandery gear.

60m doubles has been just fine for me in pretty much all the places I've climbed with them, including the Gunks, Cannon, Cathedral, Red Rocks, and Yosemite). Never really felt like I would want longer in doubles/halves. I'm not particularly worried about buying longer having to cut off ends or anything, since it's pretty rare that I'll be falling on them enough for it to matter. Hauling around and managing an extra 20m of rope sounds like a pain in the ass with little to no benefit that I can see.

70m (and 80m for that matter) are generally more useful on singles. For long multi-pitch, ideally I'd like to choose between a single 70m or a pair of 60m doubles. The 70m is often plenty to be able to reach longer rappels if needed, route dependent.
shoo
Joined Aug 9, 2010
74 points
May 29, 2012
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rock_fencer wrote:
own 70m doubles and dont mind the extra 30 ft allows for linking pitches nicely. A friend has 80 m doubles which makes linking pitches on Laurel Knob pretty awesome, but they are a total pain in the ass. Stick with 60-70m doubles


Rope drag! I can't imagine smearing up Laurel with that much rope running across the slab. If you want to link pitches, simul-climb. I use 60m 7.8 Monster from Metolius. Feels like climbing on cordalette. The drag can get pretty bad even with those two skinny. I wouldn't want any more. Those ropes are so strecthy, that if you only need 10' or so more feet then you will get it through stretch.
TomCaldwell
From Clemson, S.C.
Joined Jun 2, 2009
2,646 points
May 29, 2012
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Alicia Sokolowski wrote:
So, I have to ask, are you related to the other Hatfield or is this name just way more common than I realize?


He's actually my conjoined twin, but we've stopped talking to each other since this dispute. Maybe I'll just get a 50m and HE can deal with the 60...

[I've never met the guy, but its not an uncommon name]
Simon Hatfield
From Oakland, CA
Joined Apr 22, 2010
268 points
May 29, 2012
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I have 70 meters for Squamish and love 'em for linking pitches and quick rappels. They can be a pain when the pitches are shorter and not easy to link, though.

I also have an 80m single that is stellar for linking 2 or 3 pitches at a time or clipping into the middle and bringing up 2 seconds on < 40m pitches.
Matt Hoffmann
From Squamish
Joined Apr 19, 2012
245 points
May 29, 2012
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I would definitely recommend not getting anything shorter than 60 meters. Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Joined May 10, 2007
280 points


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