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By jmeizis
From Colorado Springs, CO
Jan 8, 2013
The Beginning of Mr. Clean (5.8) at the Barkeater Cliffs in Adirondack Park NY.

Maybe I'm just looking at this with my eyes as someone who tends to focus on spending what little money they have travelling and climbing but suppose they were specifically posting just to get money to replace the items they lost and get the hell out of there. Why would that be so unreasonable?


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By Patrick Vernon
From Albuquerque, NM
Jan 8, 2013
mexico

I dare you to ask that question on Supertopo;)


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By jmeizis
From Colorado Springs, CO
Jan 8, 2013
The Beginning of Mr. Clean (5.8) at the Barkeater Cliffs in Adirondack Park NY.

I don't have an account there but am reading through the thread. Maybe I haven't gotten to the good part but it doesn't seem unreasonable to take as many avenues as possible to recover yourself to the point before the incident.


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By Patrick Vernon
From Albuquerque, NM
Jan 8, 2013
mexico

Tony Hawk wrote:
touche Pat! they do seem bent on the money/stuff lost from reading the blog post, but wouldn't any of us be!!!


THanks for pointing this out, the ST posts seem to hint at money is pure evil and that they aren't manning up enough after being stoned nearly to death. Focusing on the money is not what I would choose, but I don't think it is inherently wrong (and now I am arguing it is not exactly what they did either). We don't really know how bent they were on these things either, the letter was written to an unknown "organization". We don't know the capacity of the organization to help and in what way. Did the organization request an itemized list of items lost? It is possible. This would have a lot to do with what they wrote in the letter.

Edit to add:
I do take back what I said about not soliciting money from anyone:

"While we are working with the US Consulate and Embassy, as well as the Policia National of Peru, we are currently seeking financial and emotional support from any resources that are available to us. Please let me know what next steps need to be taken to apply for your support services and determine our eligibility. Additionally, if you know of any other resources that could be available to us we would greatly appreciate any advice and guidance."

What I was getting at was they did not solicit money from the public which the vast majority of people are assuming. Much less ask the public to pay for their lost goods, which they being blamed for repeatedly. This is the only place they themselves directly solicit support that I have seen, it is not directed at the public, and it was removed from their blog days ago though they are still being criticized for seeking money from the public. I am still interested to see what organization they were writing to.


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By wankel7
From Indiana
Jan 8, 2013

Basically their home was destroyed by angry villagers and they barely escaped with their life. And now they stand looking at the ruins in a foreign country.

One of the only things left to think about is how to rebuild and that will take money.


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By Brad Boyle
From Tucson, AZ
Jan 8, 2013

Thanks Pat, agreed on all points.

I guess that's it for their truck. Pity, that was one sweet camper.

My vote for the best comment on this thread goes to CDC:

1. supertopo is an open sewer

Amen.


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By Kurt Johnson
From Estes Park, CO
Jan 8, 2013
A ladybug on a rock in front of Conundrum Peak, Elk Mountains, Colorado.

I marvel at the bravado and insensitivity of the majority of the posts on this thread. I haven't even looked at SuperTopo yet but it boggles the mind to think that it can be worse than some of the vitriol I've read here. What is it about internet forums and comment sections of stories about people in need that brings out the ignorant, angry and sarcastic among us like sharks drawn out of the dark depths when a bucket of blood is thrown overboard? Don't you all have some other outlet for your loathing, like setting fire to your South Park action figures?

For the record, their story has been carried by major news outlets in Peru, and Cusco's office on foreign trade and tourism has confirmed the incident based on reports from the Ocongate police station. For those of you who still think it's a scam to pay for their trip, they've sure cooked up an elaborate one.


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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
Jan 8, 2013
modern man

Brad Boyle wrote:
Thanks Pat, agreed on all points. I guess that's it for their truck. Pity, that was one sweet camper. My vote for the best comment on this thread goes to CDC: 1. supertopo is an open sewer Amen.


I dont even know whats being posted over there and dont even need to look. I'll assume its honesty and the kids are being worked over there as much as they should be.

Dream on if you think being a part of "the greatest nation on earth" is a positive thing wherever you go. Enjoy it for sure but dont go and think safety goes along with your money unless you hire someone who knows the 411. They did not.


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By Buff Johnson
Jan 8, 2013
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Cash, grass, or ass ... nobody camps for free


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By brianjames
From Appleton, WI
Jan 8, 2013
Working on a boulder problem in yosemite, can't remember the name of the problem

So I read through the whole thing and one thing I do not get is why the whole village is pissed at them and abusing them fr hours? How did it go from a few thugs probably going to rob them to what sounds like everyone coming out and taking whacks at them?

I lived in Guatemala for two years, which is one of the most dangerous (beats Mexico by a lot) countries there are, and backpacked through a lot of Latin america and Asia, and unless something major happened like accidently running over a kid who jumps out in front of my car at a bus stop (almost happened in Guate) I don't see why a whole village is going to go crazy over some young tourists.

Actually the first thing I thought was the villagers were thinking they were there to pick a kid to steal, because rumors fly around those small latin american villages that gringos want to take(adopted) their kids.


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By Austin Pethan
From Madison, WI
Jan 12, 2013
Crimp Scampi 5.10d

Upon reading this post, I feel extremely surprised in the actions of the Peruvians. My girlfriend and I just traveled for four months through Ecuador, Peru, and Bolivia, spending over a month in Peru. We stayed with locals, both indigenous people and non-indigenous and experienced only the friendliest of personalities. Some of these people went out on a limb to help us with even the most simple things.

Sure it is a third world country, but a little common sense goes a long way. These three travelers did nothing out of the ordinary to me; they asked for permission to camp, tried to use their Spanish (which shows a lot of respect for the local people), and didn't trespass.

I can't imaging what this group of villagers consisted of. It sounds like to me they were some kind of extremist group (I did read from a Peruvian news report that they were Zappitistas). Violence towards travelers is pretty rare down there (well much rarer then most people think would occur in S.A.). I'm pretty lost with this one. Their story sounds legitimate to me, they would have no reason to lie about this, but still I'm BAFFLED!


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