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By Brad Boyle
From Tucson, AZ
Jan 8, 2013
Sorry, Jake, I am guilty of not reading your post closely enough. I apologize for singling you out in the preceding post.

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Jan 8, 2013
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.
No worries man. There's a lot of shit flying in this thread. I just got a little on my lapel.

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By Unassigned User
Jan 8, 2013
"lol he PMed you, nobody PMs thefish"

oh you didn't know? anyone who pm's me has to belay me on my project!LOL

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By David Barbour
From Longmont, CO
Jan 8, 2013
Brad Boyle wrote:
David Barbour, I'm not sure I follow why removing the list of valuable from Meg's post amounts to a scam. Most of the scorn and insults that have been directed at her, Jed and Jenny focus on that list. I'm not sure the feeding frenzy would have been quite so intense had Meg given some thought to editing out the list of valuables in the first place.


Because, to me, there wasn't any reason to include that list in the first place. It rubbed me the wrong way to see so much emphasis placed on their expensive possessions (my iPhone 5!). Maybe they are telling the complete truth about their intentions and I'm just paranoid. Regardless, I'd feel very guilty asking strangers for money after putting myself in a very risky situation. Clearly, others feel differently, and that's fine.

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By CJC
Jan 8, 2013
2 things are clear from this thread

1. supertopo is an open sewer

2. people can't stand other people that have more than they do

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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Jan 8, 2013
Stoked...
thefish wrote:
"lol he PMed you, nobody PMs thefish" oh you didn't know? anyone who pm's me has to belay me on my project!LOL


haha - sooooo where/what's the proj? PM coming!

Oh and it sounds like the villagers have the whole "operation" organized pretty well... cultural misunderstanding maybe... opportunistic villagers way more likely in my worthless opinion. How is it when you ask about camping it is immediately followed up by alerts and warnings putting the village folk in fight mode? Bullshit cultural diffs... I have thought about both sides and honestly I find it hard to believe especially after reading the comments on the Peruvian news site where Peruvians are calling BS and noting that tourism is very well known as one of the major sources of growth/income. I would have probably tried to bribe them pretty quickly but I'm not much of a worldly traveler.

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By Patrick Vernon
From Albuquerque, NM
Jan 8, 2013
mexico
Holden Caulfield wrote:
I don't see that at all. I think the disgust stems from requesting money from strangers to replace your expensive items.


Which isn't what happened, it is the narrative people on the internet have created. Which kind proves his point in a way.

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By Kurt Johnson
From Estes Park, CO
Jan 8, 2013
A ladybug on a rock in front of Conundrum Peak, Elk Mountains, Colorado.
Amen, Pat.

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By David Barbour
From Longmont, CO
Jan 8, 2013
pat vernon wrote:
Which isn't what happened, it is the narrative people on the internet have created. Which kind proves his point in a way.


How are you so sure that they are telling the truth?

Just so everyone knows, they raised over $15,000 the first go-around, and are now accepting a second round of donations via the page in the OP.

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By CJC
Jan 8, 2013
Holden Caulfield wrote:
I don't see that at all. I think the disgust stems from requesting money from strangers to replace your expensive items.


I agree with that aspect. tacky at best.

but the venom and vitriol directed at this trio from the Peruvians and subsequently their countrymen is a function of their class and the behavior typical of persons in that particular class. and if you don't think some of it is jealousy, well...quit fooling yourselves.

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By Tony Hawk
Jan 8, 2013
for the record my first though was: this story is a scam! anything with DONATE HERE seems fishy.

if their MO was driving around finding remote camping spots, without local support, and asking complete random strangers if they could camp...shocked they made it this far without being robbed, raped, and, murdered. They acknowledge it was dangerous to drive at night, but what about turning down unknown dirt roads, where you don't know the local language (Quechua probably), don't have a local with you, have no protection (guns), AND refuse to show documents or offer to pay for camping immediately....in hopes it all turns out ok? Just driving around with a pimped out vehicle, expensive gear and electronics...might as well have a big sign that says: RICH GRINGOS HERE...PLEASE ROB US! I can totally see the wrong place/wrong time, not showing documents blowing up into a "lets teach these rich gringos a lesson" The entire course of human history is a lesson in haves and have nots. Doesn't fully explain it, this wasn't a simply robbery, but I agree it factors in.

On the other hand, many inspiring adventures come with a bit of risk. Seems like they just ran out of luck. Aren't all of us armchair quarterbacks a little jealous that this dude has spent the last 9 months surfing, climbing, and making sweet love to that hottie in some remote, beautiful far off lands. Big Ups if you ask me! Then when the shit hits the fan family and friends collect over $17,000 in donations (last time I checked) for recovery. I'd say in the end it was worth 4 teeth and a few stitches.

The movie deal alone and speaking engagements will pay for another 10 of those trips.

I was also put off by asking to donate for replacing iPhones and down jackets, however I can totally picture sitting in an internet cafe in Cuzco, licking my wounds, taking an account of what was stolen, and posting it and the story online. They took down the list, but still have a donate link up...

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By Patrick Vernon
From Albuquerque, NM
Jan 8, 2013
mexico
I am not sure David, honestly to me it more or less checks out. Regardless the validity of their story is not what I was addressing in my reply to Holden.

There are actually a few "facts" in this case that are brought up over and over again, and drowned in the conversation. On a side note I think the misrepresentation of these facts say a lot more about us as Americans than what happened to them in Peru.

First:
They did not ask for money. Their friend set up an account as a way to help them. Actually, they have never asked for money since the incident happened.

Second:
The list of items and narrative was a police report, probably of little value in Peru, but say they did find some of the items in the village, a list might be nice to have? no?

Third:
It makes perfect sense to post a police report as an account of their story, its a quick cut and paste and they don't have to relive the experience. They are not obligated to write out the whole narrative again just to please MP and Supertopo.

Fourth:
When it was brought to their attention how the list appeared to the public, they took it down.

Fifth:
Nowhere did they state they spent 5k on a laptop after the incident.

Sixth:
The 4k for the laptop they lost was not for the laptop, it was for the laptop and software.

The narrative of them directly ASKING FOR MONEY TO REPLACE THEIR STOLEN GOODS simply doesn't exist, it has been created on the internet.

-Patrick

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By K Weber
Jan 8, 2013
Their story and posts are littered with $$$$$.

"huge financial burden for the three of us."

"separate and they stripped us of our possessions on our persons which included my iPhone 5"

"estimated $10,695 in gear, clothing and documents taken from them."


There was a call for financial help. Big time.

Crowd tilt was linked in almost every web page the story ran.

The TRIO did not tell Rachel to stop and they TOOK the money!!

$20,000


"A friend, Rachel Segien, has set up a fund to aid them online, and the effort is in its second phase at crowdtilt.com."


Supertopo
Mountain Project
truck camper magazine
Jackson Hole News & Guide
adventure-journal
Rockclimbing
ETC

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By David Barbour
From Longmont, CO
Jan 8, 2013
Pat,

Here's the original post:

supertopo.com/climbing/thread....

It wasn't a police report. It was included in a letter apparently written to solicit support from any number of people or organizations.

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By Tony Hawk
Jan 8, 2013
The way I read their blog post is that they are pissed as hell at the audacity of these Peruvian people who were probably defending their turf and view themselves as total innocent victims. They are probably psyched to get the cash, heal up, fix the car, replace the iPhone5 (maybe with a Samsung Galaxy though so they can trade playlists by having their phones mate) and get back on the road.

Hopefully this time they will buy some traveling insurance.

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By Patrick Vernon
From Albuquerque, NM
Jan 8, 2013
mexico
I have posted quite a bit to the Supertopo forum, and read their account and blog more times than I care to admit.

Their account and list was not written for the public, and it still stands that they did not ask for money from anyone, that is what WE are assuming. Saying, "this has been a huge financial burden" is not saying "we want money to replace our IPhone." We are making assumptions, those assumptions in the context of the overall scenario say more about us than about them, even if they are true.

-Pat

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By David Barbour
From Longmont, CO
Jan 8, 2013
pat vernon wrote:
Their account and list was not written for the public


It clearly was, because it was included within a letter asking how they could obtain financial and emotional support. Read the whole original post that I linked.

pat vernon wrote:
it still stands that they did not ask for money from anyone


Not true. Again, read the whole thing. The entire point of the letter was to tell their story AND solicit financial support.

original blog post wrote:
While we are working with the US Consulate and Embassy, as well as the Policia National of Peru, we are currently seeking financial and emotional support from any resources that are available to us


I also want to clarify that I'm not jealous or arguing for the sake of arguing. I don't like seeing people conned out of their money, and I suspect that's what is happening.

edit: unless y'all actually do want to buy them new ipods, laptops, etc. in that case, go for it.

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By Tony Hawk
Jan 8, 2013
If they aren't asking for money why does their blog contain a DONATE link on the home page!

of course it was written for the public - it is right on their blog site!

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By Patrick Vernon
From Albuquerque, NM
Jan 8, 2013
mexico
Tony, the donate link was provided before the incident for family and friends to help them out and is completely separate from the campaign for money after the incident. The solicitation for money after the incident was started by a friend, not them, and does not even appear on their blog, and was shut down last time I checked.

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By David Barbour
From Longmont, CO
Jan 8, 2013
Looks like they made enough money to pay for expenses AND continue their travels!

adventureamericas.wordpress.co...

"Jenny will be on a return flight home as soon as possible, and Jed and I too are looking to leave the country as soon as possible. We have yet to decide by what means this will be, but we will in no way go in a direction that we feel will jeopardize our safety. There are many hoops we need to jump through before we get to that point. I can say though, that we will be home sooner rather than later as originally planned."

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By Patrick Vernon
From Albuquerque, NM
Jan 8, 2013
mexico
David, I appreciate your response, and I had exactly the same reaction when I read their story for the first time. Now, I have scoured it multiple times, and followed it closely and I think the popular perception of them asking for money to replace stolen goods, or scam people is also due to a miscommunication on their part. Communication is not their strong point.

"Below is an account of the incident written up by Jenny to an agency who is set up to help travelers who experience violence abroad."

The original account was not written for the public as I stated. It was later given to the public as I am well aware as their account of the incident. I believe this makes perfect sense, they are not going to want to write about it in that amount of detail again.

This is the part of the account written directly to the public:

"As many people are already aware, Jed and I and my sister in law, Jenny have been through a very traumatic experience here in Peru. I wanted to put this out there to first of all let everyone know that we are safe and recovering in Cusco. We have suffered injuries, but we will all be able to recover fully physically. Below is an account of the incident written up by Jenny to an agency who is set up to help travelers who experience violence abroad. We have yet to hear back from them. We have had a lot requests from people who want to help. We have a meeting with the tourist police, Cusco police, Consolate in Cusco and the police from the small town this afternoon. Based on what we learn from this, we will update you on ways you could help. Thank you for all your support and please share the story epecially to any travelers."

No where here do they say, "wee need money to replace our stolen items." The closet they come is saying, "we will update you on ways you can help." Which they never actually did. The crowdlit campaign was started by a friend.

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By Brad Boyle
From Tucson, AZ
Jan 8, 2013
Tony,

Pat is right. The donate button was there all along, a pretty standard feature on blogs of overlanders on the road for a long time. Here's another blog by some folks I met down in Mexico a couple of years ago:

lostworldexpedition.com/

Button's on the right.

Pat, I agree. It is bizarre and kind of creepy to watch this parallel narrative unfold.

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Jan 8, 2013
Bocan
David Barbour wrote:
It clearly was, because it was included within a letter asking how they could obtain financial and emotional support. Read the whole original post that I linked. Not true. Again, read the whole thing. The entire point of the letter was to tell their story AND solicit financial support. I also want to clarify that I'm not jealous or arguing for the sake of arguing. I don't like seeing people conned out of their money, and I suspect that's what is happening. edit: unless y'all actually do want to buy them new ipods, laptops, etc. in that case, go for it.


Been avoiding posting since either way it's a crappy sequence of events however I do think it's a new phenomenon to reach out for financial aid on the internet when in a bind. Not that it's a bad thing to ask or recieve help, but it always seemed to be reserved for people with cancer or some other massive diseases that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in hospital and treatment bills.

Again not to say it's wrong, but heck I'd sure like to open a donation site everytime I got hit with bills that cost thousands. I just go deeper into debt.

All in all, good to see that they made it out alive regardless of the facts.

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By Tony Hawk
Jan 8, 2013
touche Pat!

they do seem bent on the money/stuff lost from reading the blog post, but wouldn't any of us be!!! If friends/family set up the donation site - I don't think you can be pissed at them for that or for taking the money.

they just seem a bit out of touch with reality - talking about "bad people" and such. the real world isn't so kind to everyone and some get bent on it after a while.

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By Patrick Vernon
From Albuquerque, NM
Jan 8, 2013
mexico
Thanks Brad, and for the record I do not think they are without fault in any of this by a long shot. Many of these misconceptions are explained over and over again here and on Supertopo, but the knee jerk reaction of almost everyone reading this story for the first time (and my reaction too I will admit) was that they are asking for money to replace their Iphones and Nanos.

Also as stated in the Spanish news article above, they have left the country and left their truck behind. I wish they would update us, but they are under no obligation to do so.

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