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Wanting to do a wall. Grade 5. Buying gear and wondering if people think its better to get one Zion by BD or a touchstone and a stubby or any other combo?


Thanks in advance John
John Roark
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Steve Williams
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I would get whatever is cheapest and fits your goals. The standard sized bags seem to be fine for most people on your standard el cap route. The truth is that most bags see only 2-4 walls in their life before being sold off and so quality is not really an issue. I am sure they are out there but I have never met anyone that had to get a new haulbag because they just wore out the old one.

I personally have a metolious and they are super burly. I am not sure about the newer fish bags but the older ones and black diamond used to be a bit thinner material than the metolious That being what it is, you can still rub holes in any of them if your not careful to pad them.
Karsten
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I am no expert, only one grade V attempt under my belt, but I think you should be fine with the Touchstone (or similar size), but it will probably be filled to capacity. If you the weather permits you to carry summer weight sleeping bags you'll have no problem. With 2 20deg bags you should just fit so long as the second doesn't mind carrying a small pack with some extra water/jackets/food in it and you chain your waste container on the bottom of the bag (we did both of those). If you can find a bigger bag or touchstone and stubby it wouldn't hurt, but you might have a tendency to overpack. Larry S
From Easton, Pennsylvania
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Good advice above. No matter what size your bag is, people tend to fill it up. Stick with a smaller bag (touchstone, fish grade V, etc) if you can.

And for a bit of self promotion, I've got a Fish Grade V for sale. Its in great condition. $80, plus shipping in needed. If your interested, just shoot me PM.
darin
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Go big! I've always bought the biggest and cheapest haulbag around (based on advice from a friend who has done scores of walls all over the world), and I've never been sorry. On shorter walls there is room to dig around in the bag a little, and on bigger walls, there is space for what you need. JohnnyG
Joined Nov 30, 2009
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Jul 20, 2011
I think it is better to have two bags not filled to capacity than one overflowing one. It is much harder to get to stuff without potentially dropping something important when your bag is maxed out. Plus it's nice to be able to distribute the weight some on the way back down between you and your partner. Kevin Stricker
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Karsten wrote:
I have never met anyone that had to get a new haulbag because they just wore out the old one.

I have. PTPP! If you know what that stands for, you know what I am talking about. ;)
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20 kN wrote:
I have. PTPP! If you know what that stands for, you know what I am talking about. ;)

You mean the Canadian Assassin, nobody calls him PTPP except himself, the guy tried to give himself his own nickname. He's called the Canadian Assassin because he is always dropping stuff off el Cap, including his haul bags, which is why they are probably in bad shape.
Highlander
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I get a 4500ci.
If you get a XL bag then its too heavy.
If you get 2 medium bags of your choice then.
Then your friend can carry the other one.
jumping fish
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Highlander wrote:
You mean the Canadian Assassin, nobody calls him PTPP except himself, the guy tried to give himself his own nickname. He's called the Canadian Assassin because he is always dropping stuff off el Cap, including his haul bags, which is why they are probably in bad shape.


I thought the Canadian Assassin thing was from an early wall where he had his partners jugging on some load release knot.
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darin wrote:
.... And for a bit of self promotion, I've got a Fish Grade V for sale. Its in great condition. $80, plus shipping in needed. If your interested, just shoot me PM.



Right here it is. Metolius and Fish make good stuff, and here's one used at a descent price. Woot! He scores! The Grade 5 new retails for $132 plus fright, is 29" tall, 15" bottom, 5100 cu.in.
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