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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
May 22, 2014
modern man
17 bucks a day to get ripped off. nice.

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By J. Serpico
From Saratoga County, NY
May 22, 2014
Or $95 for the year (including biking, climbing horseback and free camping). If you choose to pay the day use fee, that's your issue.

That said, for the fees, they should be able to provide some security. Hell, even a few wifi cameras. could at least lead to an eventual arrest.

I'm not a big fan of big brother watching me all the time, but we are on camera so much these days, it makes perfect sense to install them in trail head parking lots. No need to monitor them, just review when needed.

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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
May 22, 2014
modern man
J. Serpico wrote:
Or $95 for the year (including biking, climbing horseback and free camping). If you choose to pay the day use fee, that's your issue. That said, for the fees, they should be able to provide some security. Hell, even a few wifi cameras. could at least lead to an eventual arrest. I'm not a big fan of big brother watching me all the time, but we are on camera so much these days, it makes perfect sense to install them in trail head parking lots. No need to monitor them, just review when needed.


Thats nice they offer biking now as part of a pass, they didnt do that when I was buying one year passes. That said for whatever the hell you pay to get in to the lot there should be security of some sort. Multiple cars getting hit on any one day is pathetic in a pay to use area with an actual human being collecting money.

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By J. Serpico
From Saratoga County, NY
May 22, 2014
No disagreement there

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By Rob Davis
From Brooklyn, NY
May 24, 2014
It's like climbing in the south again!

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By jdrago
From Rosendale, NY
May 25, 2014
Decided to leave nothing of value in my van today and leave my windows open. At least they wont have to break in to take a look around

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By gblauer
From Wayne, PA
May 27, 2014
According to the rangers (who are now patrolling every 45 minutes), there have no break ins since last Wednesday.

I saw a few vehicles with signs hanging on them: "there is nothing to steal in this car". I thought about putting a sign, but then I wasn't sure if they would break the window just to vandalize.

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By D-Roc
May 27, 2014
im surprised there arent any reports of people trashing / stealing at SLIME or MUA...those areas during the day are dead and easy pickens...

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By Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
May 27, 2014
Rumney
J. Serpico wrote:
Or $95 for the year (including biking, climbing horseback and free camping). If you choose to pay the day use fee, that's your issue. That said, for the fees, they should be able to provide some security. Hell, even a few wifi cameras. could at least lead to an eventual arrest. I'm not a big fan of big brother watching me all the time, but we are on camera so much these days, it makes perfect sense to install them in trail head parking lots. No need to monitor them, just review when needed.


Fwiw, as someone with some experience and knowledge with camera systems, this is a fine thing to expect but something different to actually deploy. That camera needs to send its feed somewhere, and I doubt many trailheads have network or internet access, or even power for that matter. Assuming they had at least power, then you would need a computer there or somewhere capturing the camera feed and storing it. After a year of storing 24/7 video you'll need to upgrade the hard drive or work on some type of on/offsite backup method, etc. [some businesses only keep a few days or weeks and automatically purge older videos] Either way it's a rather complicated undertaking and not as easy as spending $50 at Staples and running an extension cable.

I wouldn't expect any preserve or wilderness area to have surveillance. I would welcome it, but it just aint happening anytime soon (when solar power and satellite/cellular internet become super cheap, *maybe* ).

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By Matt Wilson
From Bethel, Vermont, USA
May 27, 2014
MJMobes wrote:
I wonder how those ASSHOLES sleep at night?


On a huge pile of money, surrounded by a dozen beautiful women.

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By jdrago
From Rosendale, NY
May 27, 2014
Are you that asshole Matt Wilson?

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By Jeffrey Dunn
Administrator
May 27, 2014
Kevin Heckeler wrote:
Fwiw, as someone with some experience and knowledge with camera systems, this is a fine thing to expect but something different to actually deploy.


A camera trap, i.e. hunters camera, would take a timestamped photo and/or video of every car that entered the lot on a given day and could do this for days on end with a single charge and mini SD card.

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By Matt Wilson
From Bethel, Vermont, USA
May 28, 2014
jdrago wrote:
Are you that asshole Matt Wilson?

Nah, I'm poor as dirt.

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By Meme Guy
From Land of Runout Slab
May 28, 2014
Meme guy
Rob Davis wrote:
It's like climbing in the south again!


I know of a few people who have taken back their crags by way of force. Not advocating [too much] violence but we had a real bad problem for a while and the only thing that solved it was a little stakeout of sorts. Noticing the pattern of weekend break ins, Bill sat himself on a boulder above the parking lot one Saturday morning and waited. After a few hours had passed and he was about to leave, a black pickup truck pulls in. It was pretty obvious that the folks in the truck weren't climbers and when one got out and picked up the closest rock, Bill knew he had the enemy in sight. Before Bill could run down the hill with his small 22 rifle, the man broke a car window and began to loot. Bill tore down that hill so fast he probably sounded like a mama bear charging. When they saw him runnin breakneck speed at em with a rifle they hauled ass out of there leaving the skinny meth head looking guy standing in the parking lot alone. I wish I could tell you that Bill shot that meth head that day and buried him in a holler below the blue ridge parkway but that's not how this story goes. Police came and took him away, hasn't been a break in there since that day.

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By Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
May 28, 2014
Rumney
Jeffrey Dunn wrote:
A camera trap, i.e. hunters camera, would take a timestamped photo and/or video of every car that entered the lot on a given day and could do this for days on end with a single charge and mini SD card.


But that may not be effective for catching these criminals since they're (supposedly) not actually driving their vehicle onto preserve property.

With that thought in mind, I suppose a couple dozen of these motion detecting cameras could be deployed anywhere there might be crime. Then see my prior post. Additionally, unlike most wild animals, people might look for and destroy (steal even) these cameras. Since the images are only being stored locally, taking the camera effectively covers their tracks. And who knows, maybe they can even resell the camera. Booty!

They might be able to set something up near the (now new) gate at the stairmaster parking area. This is a spot where they parked, and a likely repeat location(?). I'll keep an eye out for the camera. If I'm short on cash, maybe eBay it.

My guess is that this was an isolated incident. But some criminals are dumb and/or greedy/desperate, so who knows. Maybe they'll be back. Maybe super volcano. Maybe asteroid.

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By Gunkiemike
May 28, 2014
Idea - stake out the vulnerable spots armed with paintball guns. From what I've heard, those things are like machine guns these days. Gotta hurt like a mo-fo, and you'd think the cops could find the perp if he was bright yellow from head to toe. Think this would be legal? (Nothing in the SAFE Act against paintballs AFAIK)

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By Matt Wilson
From Bethel, Vermont, USA
May 28, 2014
Gunkiemike wrote:
Idea - stake out the vulnerable spots armed with paintball guns. From what I've heard, those things are like machine guns these days. Gotta hurt like a mo-fo, and you'd think the cops could find the perp if he was bright yellow from head to toe. Think this would be legal? (Nothing in the SAFE Act against paintballs AFAIK)


Pretty sure that could be considered assault, unless you can claim self defense.

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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
May 28, 2014
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.
A better sting operation involves HD video feeds, which is essential to the court proceedings. Obviously this takes some sophistication to set up and has the potential of being stolen if discovered. So a windowless van in the parking lot monitoring the cameras is needed.

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By mitchy
From nunya gotdamn business.
May 28, 2014
A windowless van in ANY parking lot is creepy. Nobody will come around breaking into cars and shit for fear of being abducted and raped.

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By Gunkiemike
May 28, 2014
Nobody gonna rape me if I'm packing my paintball tommy gun.

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By J. Serpico
From Saratoga County, NY
May 29, 2014
Kevin Heckeler wrote:
Fwiw, as someone with experience and knowledge with camera systems, this is a fine thing to expect but something different to actually deploy. That camera needs to send its feed somewhere* ).


I was thinking something similar to a wireless home security network. You should be able to set up a wifi network to cover the main lots, feeding images, even a shot per minute vs live feed back to a remote hard drive. Can be powered by solar.

This is entirely possible, hell, I have a similar setup at home. Built it myself from random parts from Newegg after someone rummaged through my unlocked car in the driveway years ago. Added a wireless network camera to the door and one inside. All feeds to an old IDE hard drive and DVR, which I can access from the road. Cost me about $200.

Or, simpler, a hunters motion camera might be a low tech option.

Again, they are taking $17 a day or $95 a year (imo, a bargain) so they should be able to provide reasonable security. After all, the Gunks aren't the wilderness, it's urban cragging with the visitor center right down the road.

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By Nick Goldsmith
May 29, 2014
the #1 way to improve community relations with police is to solve property crimes. So often the cops tells us that there is nothing they can do yet they have no problem issuing us a speeding or parking citation while they sit in their cars watching porn on the computer and getting fat.. I have been robbed twice climbing. once Gunks and once Cannon. Both times the cops told me they would not catch them.

should be as simple as setting up a bait car. leave a wallet and I phone on the seat in view and go for a hike. cameras are in the vehicle.

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By Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
May 29, 2014
Rumney
J. Serpico wrote:
I was thinking something similar to a wireless home security network. You should be able to set up a wifi network to cover the main lots, feeding images, even a shot per minute vs live feed back to a remote hard drive. Can be powered by solar. This is entirely possible, hell, I have a similar setup at home. Built it myself from random parts from Newegg after someone rummaged through my unlocked car in the driveway years ago. Added a wireless network camera to the door and one inside. All feeds to an old IDE hard drive and DVR, which I can access from the road. Cost me about $200. Or, simpler, a hunters motion camera might be a low tech option. Again, they are taking $17 a day or $95 a year (imo, a bargain) so they should be able to provide reasonable security. After all, the Gunks aren't the wilderness, it's urban cragging with the visitor center right down the road.


Those flimsy cameras? Where outdoors do you expect they would be mounted, out of reach of someone trying to steal or destroy them? [good camera enclosures aren't exactly cheap when you figure one per camera] There's more complexity to this than I could possibly cover here. Your experience with this tech isn't apples to apples. Have fun with the delusion that adequate surveillance is this easy thing. If it's so easy maybe you want to contact them with your grand plan.

I'm not even a criminal and I've already figured out how to profit from your security measure (steal, resell the equipment you install). lol

I'm usually the one bitching about the value added from my preserve fees. But there's limits to what any organization can do given the specific circumstances.

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By gblauer
From Wayne, PA
May 29, 2014
At Birdsboro, we encased our cameras in steel and mounted them very high in the trees. The cameras have eliminated our graffiti problem.

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By Rockbanned
From Plattsburgh, Ny
May 29, 2014
Slab...
jdrago wrote:
Wow that is a lot of break ins! I live down the street from the Red Brick too. Scumbags.


yea.... ya'll can keep the gunks... I'll stay up here in the daks where we usually leave our cars wide open and never worry about it... heh heh heh

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