GRIGRI 2 durability???

I've heard that the GriGri2 isn't nearly as durable as the original, any truth to that???

Anyone see grigri 2 for less than $86???

Very true. Have a 1 that is almost 20 years old, used a ton, and shows almost no wear. Have a 2, 2 years old, used a ton, and the curved plate is almost completely worn through. The 2 is lighter and smoother however. I used both with ropes down to a 9.2, and had no issues.

Schmuck, Thanks.

I ended up ordering one anyways. I must like throwing my $$ away.

I could have gotten a Cinch for a lot less, but they kinda scare me.

I would say in a material comparison they are both nearly the same. The size of the 2 dictates that there will be more wear as the rope is rubbing over more surface area as it doesnt have as much room to move around within the device. Mine is 2 years old as well and showing significant wear. I picked mine up off a couple brits heading back to there island for only 50. they didnt want to bring it back with them. That would be your best best for a cheap one. or on this sight. I would suggest getting the 2, handles and feeds better, but both are good.

I've had a grigri II for over two years and it shows
virtually no wear. I'm very happy with mine.

Ben Beckerich wrote:What do you have against the Cinch?

Everything.

I don't really have that much against the Cinch, but my wife knows how to use a GriGri, wouldn't want to make her learn anything new. . .

I've yet to put my Grigri or Cinch to the dreaded .45 or .357 strength test.

I love my Gri Gri, I just can't finesse it for lead belay. I almost always use an ATC or reverso if I am lead belaying someone. I would be curious to see if I am any better at lead belaying with a Grigri 2 though.

I dropped mine down 300 ft of slab after accidentally and unknowingly capturing the webbing from my harness when clipping it to my gear loop. Not even a ding...

I don't understand why people say they can't belay well on lead with it.

Could be

1. Inexperience
2. Failure to anticipate clips
3. Thick rope
4. Failure to flake rope
5. Annoying fucking leader who only clips way over his head

or most likely, improper use due to noobery.

The cinch is still the fastest but with practice and a half decent rope, the gri gri (either one) is more than quick enough for anyone to belay with.

As for durability, most users won't notice a difference. Those that climb in areas with a pervasive grit (shelf and the RRG or even IC), it does groove down very fast. It's clearly thinner, about 2/3 the thickness to my eye. It also seems to be a softer metal but I haven't tested it, it just looks softer, whatever that means.

ATCs are more tradder, therefore more better.

what, you want to live forever?

I have owned my GG2 for about a year and a half and there's a pretty big groove in the area where Petzl suggests you put the rope while lowering. I haven't noticed this with the older models.

Edit: old model*, and to add, I use it on a 9.4

"I just cant" got me as well. I just thought I'd leave that one alone but since you guys got going on it I'll agree that is a lame excuse, especially if you own one and dont use it. even my 5.6+ trad leading self has learned to pay out the right way with grigris I&II

My grig one shows almost no wear after years and years of use. The grig two I bought because they are "better with thin ropes" shows a lot of wear from much less use.

As long as we're on the topic of durability, I have a pair of OBOZ trail shoes that are showing significant signs of wear after only 18 months of wear. Anyone have similar experiences? /snark

Replace your gear when it shows signs of wear, dudes!

I would have to say its extremely easy to belay someone on lead with my gri gri 2 and after a year of weekly use the finish is kind of rough but as a whole its in great shape. Although there is little amounts of surface rust in some spots...

Malcolm Daly wrote:As long as we're on the topic of durability, I have a pair of OBOZ trail shoes that are showing significant signs of wear after only 18 months of wear. Anyone have similar experiences? /snark Replace your gear when it shows signs of wear, dudes!

Mr. Daly, I was trying to determine if I should get one because after a the original Grigri I expect them to last 5-10 years. Guess I shouldn't have such high expectations for a $100 belay device that is 25% lighter and smaller than the original. Maybe I should have bought the Cinch???

nicelegs wrote:I don't understand why people say they can't belay well on lead with it.

I hope this wasn't aimed at me. There is a reason I used the word finesse. I was simply implying that I have not honed in on a Gri Gri like I have an ATC.

nicelegs wrote:The cinch is still the fastest

Oh I don't know, maybe you just haven't "practiced" enough with the Gri Gri to be as fast as your cinch. I know of a great, 5-line-item post that could help you trouble shoot that... or it could just be noobery.

Nielsonru wrote: I hope this wasn't aimed at me. There is a reason I used the word finesse. I was simply implying that I have not honed in on a Gri Gri like I have an ATC. Oh I don't know, maybe you just haven't "practiced" enough with the Gri Gri to be as fast as your cinch. I know of a great, 5-line-item post that could help you trouble shoot that... or it could just be noobery.

Fair enough.

If you read my posts, you know that I think the Cinch is a flawed design and should not be on the market. Part of that flaw makes it fling out rope like it's not even connected to anything.

The gri (1 or 2) is fast enough but there is a moment where the rope stops. Usually if a bit of the rope is under a small rock or root or my foot. It's never bad but the snag has to be cleared (usually just a shake) since pulling harder only locks the device. It's a very minor speedbump but would definitely cause you to get the silver medal in the slack throwing olympics.

It's a small price to pay for a device that actually works though.

Oh no, not the dreaded CINCH DEATH MACHINE!!!! This topic has been fucked in the ass until there's nothing left but half of a dripping colon. If ever there was a n00bish theory and unwarranted n00bish fear, it's that one. That's right up there with lockers on a TR anchor. The difference is that people cling to the "death machine" theory because out of some unproven fear they never use these devices, but eventually everyone for convenience's sake learns that two draws opposite and opposed on two solid bolts is a perfectly acceptable TR anchor. For every Cinch fuckup there's a GriGri fuckup, and they're all from idiots that thought they had a command of how to properly employ the equipment when they did not hence the word "fuckup". it really is that simple. Nothing else going on there, not device failure, not some cosmic fucking thing that can't be recreated, just plain 'ole dipshittery. Oh, and the ATC gives a much softer catch than any kind of auto-assist device (that's another good one)- unless of course you're not a complete n00b that doesn't regularly catch lead falls in which case you can easily time a jump to make your climber feel like they're landing on a stack of pillows no matter what you're belaying with.