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Description 

Greens Cliff is a beautiful, semi-backwoods wide granite cliff with outlying walls, located just south west of Sawyer Pond, in the heart of the White Mountain National Forest. This impressive cliff can be seen easily from the Kancamagus Highway, but received few visits in the past due to stories of an arduous approach and few known routes. This is changing though, as high quality routes have been recently put up and old classics rediscovered. An easy way in from the north has been figured out, making it much faster and no longer requiring mountain bikes. This new way in has also made it much more practical to get to the Northeastern crags, which offer quality, mostly long one pitch mixed protection routes, with an approach of under an hour.
Matt Elliott on the flake
Matt Elliott on the flake

Greens offers the potential for outstanding lines up 3 pitches long. The rock appears to be mostly very high quality with sweeping aesthetic features including long cracks, corners, roofs, moderate and fierce slabs, flake systems, steeply overhanging jamb cracks, granite pockets and maybe even potential for a few overhanging sport climbs. Many classic lines await FAs. For those looking to do established lines, there is now a good collection of high quality routes from 5.7 to 5.13.
Section of the Main Wall at Green's Cliff
Section of the Main Wall at Green's Cliff


The Walls
The Main Wall is a sweeping band about 1/3 mile long and up to approximately 250 ft tall, of quality granite. It is similar to the best found in N Conway, but without the slick polished feel. It faces south east, so gets morning sun and has great views of Mt. Tremont and Owl's Cliff mountainproject.com/v/new_hamp... to the north east and to the south and south east, Mts. Tripyramid and Chocorua.

To the left, past two slabs with no known routes but potential, is the area known as The West Wing, a large, tall shoulder of rock. The Wing's right side is The Alcove, a section of overhanging yellow rock tucked into the steep hillside, surrounded by tall hemlocks. The Alcove is a little raw, with some sections of rotten rock and in need of further cleaning and some anchor upgrades, but it also has some of the steepest lines, including the old aid line jam crack '357', recently freed at the mid 13 grade.

Around to the right of the Main Wall are the Northeastern Crags, a collection of partially developed walls with an especially scenic overlook of the Sawyer Pond basin. Here you will find high quality, mostly one pitch cracks, from fingers to offwidth/chimney and the really fun technical 12a/b arete Bigfoot Was Here.

It is a little far to go hauling crashpads, but if you are into backwoods bouldering, there are quality boulders up to 30 ft tall scattered in the forest below the crags, especially below the Main Wall and the West Wing.

Around to the left, more facing south south west is the large, good quality Meadow Brook Slab. It is on the same formation but fairly distant and has a different approach. Chuck Woodman and others have put up routes here up to 3 pitches. (we need more info)


A Little History
There are references in Charles E. Beals' book 'Passaconaway in the White Mountains' to Greens being a popular destination for hunting or picnicking in the late 1800s, but I haven't found any mention of climbing at Greens until the 1928 AMC expedition lead by Lincoln O’Brien. They made at least one visit to the cliff, making it up 100 feet, “but were unable to find a route to the top of this magnificent cliff. No other route could be found; the smooth, massive slabs seemed impregnable” I’m not sure where they tried, but Justin Preisendorfer found old pins while climbing Fireside Crack. It seems the trail cut in by the Passaconaway Mountain Club that the AMC folks used was not long maintained, which probably put a damper on further attempts.

It wasn't until almost 50 years later that Jimmie Dunn and Michael Macklin most likely made the first full ascent, by way of the classic Stewart's Crack, in 1975. In 1993 John Strand and Gerry Lortie climbed the very difficult slab, Black Flies Consume Jim Dunn as a first pitch to a possible 3 pitch wild looking line, ground up and hand drilling free on the lead. Michael Hartrich and Matt Peer climbed the thin Ginsu Flake, without the bolts and got down by soloing off right to a brushy corner. In 1994 Ward Smith and Paula King explored in from the Sawyer pond. They didn't quite make it in to the Main Cliff, stopping instead after much thrashing about at one of the walls of the Eastern Crags, to put up perhaps the first route at Green's using the top down approach, Premarital Blisters, a great looking 5.11c thin face and crack line.

Later, Steve Dupuis, Aaron Rashaw, Jamal Lee-Elkin, Tim Martel and Justin Preisendorfer and others traveled out, making more regular visits, battled bears and, usually ground up, aided or freed a number of dramatic routes that just beg to be climbed when you see them, like the big second pitch flake system of Green Party and the 200 foot finger and hand crack Greenpeace, and '357'. It then lay mostly quiet for a while.

In early spring 2010, after observing and wondering about Green's for many years while climbing at Owls, I finally skied and snowshoed over to check it out and was hooked by the beauty of the cliff and the new route potential. The year saw a flurry of activity. With the help of Dima Shirokov, Amy Colburn, David Powers, Matt Elliott, Randy Garcia and others, Greenpeace and Green Party both got freed, 8 new pitches were established and a bunch of new projects started.

2013 saw increased visits, with some notable ascents being the freeing of 357 by Conor Cliffe and Tom Draper and the bold ground up onsight first ascent of a line through the dramatic second and third pitch terrain above Black Flies... (still un-named) by Bayard Russell, Ray Rice and Cliffe. Also of note, after years of biking and hiking in the long way, a much shorter hike in from the north was found that avoided any horrible thrash, making Greens now barely an outback area, especially the Northeastern Crags, which can be reached in well under an hour by foot. As a result, climbing at the Northeastern Crags became much more feasible (Greens Light, as John Strand calls it) and seven quality new routes went in over there.


There is now a good collection of established routes available with lots of potential for more. If it was a bit closer to the road this area would likely be one of the main climbing destinations of New Hampshire. Luckily it isn't, so you can get away from the crowds and find top quality new lines to explore. Top that with a great bivy spot on a ledge under a huge protective roof, a very picturesque location , adventurous friends sharing a rope or a bottle of wine around the fire afterwards and you should get the picture of Greens. (We’ll forget being eaten alive because you came out in the wrong time of Spring and forgot your bug suit, ha ha)

Getting There 

It used to be that an approach to Greens would require a long slog by bike and foot, but recently a quick and scenic way in on foot has been figured out by coming in from the north via Sawyer River Rd. Aproach times run from a little under an hour to the North Eastern Crags, to a bit over an hour to the Main Wall and maybe 1 1/2 hr to the Alcove/West Wing. Meadowbrook Slabs have a differant approach: See its page for directions.

Drive south ~ 4 miles on the dirt Sawyer River Rd off of 302 all the way to the last gate. Park in the large clearing on the right. Continue on up the road on foot, past the gate a few hundred feet and take a left onto Sawyer Pond Trail, immediately crossing the river via the footbridge. Continue along the trail like you were going to the pond and in about 5 minutes you come to a second, smaller bridge (the boardwalk right after the first doesn't count). Leave the trail just before crossing this second bridge, cutting right into the woods, initially staying near the bank of the stream for maybe 50+ ft, then bearing away from it a little (heading directly south) to follow a shallow, somewhat nebulous drainage a couple hundred feet. Move to the left side of it, passing by two huge yellow birches that almost cross each other. It is important to be careful to not beat in a trail here or mark it. Lots of yahoos head into the pond and there is no sense in drawing them up to the crags to leave their poop and beer cans. Once you are familiar with the area try to go in and out a slightly different way off the Pond Trail and tread lightly.

Once in a few hundred feet, around N44.05243 W71.39998 look for a bit of flagging. You are pretty much heading directly south and then bending more SSE, up the shoulder of the wooded ridge. Once you are in a couple hundred feet and find the flagging the way should be easy to follow. Along the way you will cross two overgrown skidder trails, making very short jogs on them to the left before resuming up the hill. Once up on the ridge you continue along it heading south, with some great views through the trees out over the very scenic Sawyer Pond basin, with cliffs all around. At around N44.04330 W71.39683 you will get to a small boulder with the roots of a large yellow birch tree growing over it, with a cairn on top. Here is where you branch left for the Northeastern Crags, or right if you want to save a few minutes and take the most direct path to the Main Wall and Alcove.

For the Northeastern Crags bear left, over a small rise then down a shallow coll and then turn right, now traversing below the gradually growing cliff line that eventually becomes the Bigfoot area. (You would go down the coll and bear left instead to get to the base of The Knoll) You will be traversing the hillside south for about 5 or 10 minutes until you see the obvious sharp arete of Bigfoot in front of you. It is about an hour from the car to Bigfoot, 40 min if you hike fast.

For the Main Wall, If you want to skip the NE crags and get there directly, instead of heading down the coll, you would bear to the right from the boulder cairn and generally continue snaking uphill along the ridge line above the Northeastern Crags. Once the trail tops out and begins to come down a little, you may see a few flags coming up the hill on the left from the Beanstalk Wall decent gully. Ignore them and keep bearing right, around a little plateau, and you will be dropping down along below the right end of the Main Wall, passing through some boulders just before you get there. Figure an hour to hour and a half from the car to the Main Wall. From the NE Crags, to get there go to the left side of the Beanstalk Wall and continue traversing left over to the buttress with the route Encour du Bottom feeder. Scramble up the gully just left of that route and continue up the hill a few minutes and you will run into the overland trail. Take a left and in ~ 10 minutes you will be at the Main Wall.

The Alcove/West Wing is a further 15-20 min left(west) from the Main Wall. See directions in the area page.

Most of the way is very clear going, but it is probably not a bad idea until you are familiar with the area to carry a GPS/map and compass in case you get off track. Sawyer Pond Road is seasonally closed for snow, but you can bike or ski the 4 miles if you still really want to get in. When it is open it is usually well graded and fine for most cars

Climbing Season



Weather station 10.8 miles from here

41 Total Routes

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The Classics

Mountain Project's determination of some of the classic, most popular, highest rated routes for Greens Cliff :
Squeeze Box   5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c     Trad, 1 pitch, 70'   The Northeastern Crags
Ginsu Flake   5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a     Trad, 1 pitch, 60'   The Main Wall
The Jolly Green Giant   5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a     Trad, 80'   The Northeastern Crags
Stewart's Crack   5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a PG13     Trad, 2 pitches, 190'   The Main Wall
The Beanstalk Crack   5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a     Trad, 1 pitch, 75'   The Northeastern Crags
Big Red Shoes   5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a     Trad, 1 pitch, 80'   The Northeastern Crags
Farewell Ronald McDonald   5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a     Trad, 1 pitch, 65'   The Northeastern Crags
Bull Run   5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b     Trad, 1 pitch, 100'   The Main Wall
Blurry Eyes   5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b     Trad, 2 pitches, 160'   The Main Wall
Br'er Rabbit   5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b     Trad, 1 pitch, 95'   The Northeastern Crags
Mountain Minor   5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b PG13     Trad, 2 pitches, 115'   The Northeastern Crags
I'm Still Here   5.10+ 6b+ 21 VII+ 20 E3 5b     Trad, 2 pitches, 180'   The Main Wall
Green Party   5.11- 6c 22 VIII+ 22 E3 5c PG13     Trad, 2 pitches, 195'   The Main Wall
Greenpeace   5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a     Trad, 2 pitches, 200'   The Main Wall
Bigfoot was Here   5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6b     Trad, 1 pitch, 85'   The Northeastern Crags
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Two older and much longer alternative ways in to G...
Fun at Green's - photo by Dmitriy Shirokov
Fun at Green's - photo by Dmitriy Shirokov
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Some 2 pitch potential over at the Northeastern Cr...
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By bayard russell jr
From: Madison, NH
May 27, 2010
This looks awesome, thanks for all the info from everyone.
By twellman
Aug 13, 2012
Has anyone ever tried the approach from the sawyer pond trail? It looks like it would be a bit shorter, but perhaps from sawyer pond to the cliffs would be a bushwhack? Seems like this could be a good way to access the northeast crags.
By M Sprague
Administrator
From: New England
Aug 13, 2012
The bushwhacking is very thick. Amy C did it coming over the top of the ridge and said it was pretty horrendous and couldn't figure out where she could drop down....

Edit one year later - It turns out coming in from the north is the best way in (when the gate is open) The trick is to take Sawyer Pond trail towards the pond, but at the second bridge leave the trail and head south bearing a little east. Keeping off the NWern slope of the ridge keeps you out of that horrendous band of thick spruce that some have had the misfortune of slogging through. It is now only 45 min to an hour from the car to the NE Crags and a bit over an hour to the Main Wall, no bikes used. See the updated directions.
By john strand
From: southern colo
Aug 13, 2012
I don't know about the NE crags.. but approaching the main area from sawyer/zealand is a horroshow. you have NO idea where you are.
By M Sprague
Administrator
From: New England
Mar 12, 2013
I found mention that there was a trail to Green's put in by the Passaconway Mountain Club in the late 1920s in the 1931 AMC guide.
See Lost Hiking Trails That is most likely how the 1928 Lincoln O'Brien AMC party got in.

The Passaconway Mountain Club

Before that there were logging roads and narrow gauge railroads in the area, which people used to get close to Owls and Green's cliffs for hunting and picnicking. The fire ring under the overhang at Green's may very well have been made over a hundred years ago.
By Max Dismukes
From: North Quincy, MA
Jul 16, 2015
If anyone has additional information on new development in the northeast crags,please shoot me a message. A friend and I are planning on heading up this weekend and a few more times throughout the summer/fall and would be psyched on cleaning some new lines. Premarital wall in particular is really intriguing - is it still just the one route there? Thanks.
By M Sprague
Administrator
From: New England
Jul 16, 2015
Max, I'll be probably be there this weekend working on some stuff at the Beanstalk Wall if it is not raining too much (right above Premarital). I haven't been to the Premarital Wall this year yet as it tends to be the wettest, but it may be dried out now. There is still only Premarital Blisters and one half cleaned project to the right of it that I was working on until it got wet that starts up the left facing corner then continues up the face via thin cracks. Still possible lines there if you don't mind working the brushes and scrapers!
By john strand
From: southern colo
Jul 16, 2015
Mark..some psyched to clean ?! That;s the sound of love LUV baby
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