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graffiti at base of Johnny Vegas
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Some idiot from Sacramento thought it would be worthwhile to tag his date of visit and hometown at the base of Johnny Vegas (on the ground to the right of the actual start). |
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Let's completely destroy Sacramento. |
Jeff Stephens wrote:Let's completely destroy Sacramento.Seems reasonable to me? |
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Thanks for the heads-up. Do you recall what was used for the tag? spraypaint? sharpie? helps determine what to take up there, and how much work it's going to be... Ah, the catch-22 of convenient access from a major urban area... |
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Sure did take that guy a long time to do the approach. |
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I see that sort of graffiti all over Red Rock, mostly on rocks aIong the trails. Pathetic. The worst thing is that these pricks ate starting to venture further into the canyons to the base of our routes. I wouldn't be leaving anything of value at the base of routes anymore. |
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D I C K B A G S. Totally. |
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OMG, just noticed- did someone write third time, as in the third time doing the route? It's from a climber? If so, that's a low blow to the climbing community. Trashy pieces of shit. Times sure have changed! |
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Yeah man, no way they'd be just hikers... Like they just "found" the base area of solar slab? Riiiiiiiight... |
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And rub that buttheads face in a big pile of fresh burro crap, and send him home. |
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+1,,,make that a hot steaming fresh dump of burro crap, on a 106 degree day. |
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I agree that whomever did this should be kicked in the head, however, before you all lynch the idiot noob who did this, perhaps the climbing community should focus on ostracizing all of the folks out there who are veterans and should know better, yet still carve crap into the rock. Who you might ask? A 2 minute google search revealed the following similar transgressions posted on websites from: |
J. Albers wrote:Nobody seems to be bent out of shape that Belly Full of Bad Berries has a carved rock at its base.Really? Many climbers are okay with these primitive-like carvings? Wow, sad. |
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I agree with you completely. The really sad part? I knew to do the above google search because I recently saw an ad in one of the climbing rags (from a major climbing company) that was advertising their gear by showing a picture of one of those carvings. Apparently if the grade is high enough on the carved stone than the gear companies must figure that nobody will say squat. sigh.... |
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I guess I'm out of the loop: I don't read the mags, or ads, and I don't climb really hard. Terrible that they would promote that bad behavior just because of the rating. |
johnL wrote:So an extremely area centric practice that is BOTH historical and falling out of favour is the same as writing on rocks with sharpies and paint? Choose your soapbox I guess.hmmmm. Well, I must admit that I don't climb at the Creek, so I don't know the local ethic. However, I am not sure why just because something is historical and falling out of favor should mean that it gets judged any less harshly than some noob with a sharpie. When did Belly go up? 1960? Doubtful. My guess is that it went up recently enough that whoever carved the name and grade should have known better. But I guess it is gnar-gnar enough that nobody should complain. |
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Well, a soapbox it is, I suppose. Guess it won't matter much, until access is affected, and who knows, maybe in a hundred or more years from now it will be considered an awesome historical site for others to enjoy . I'll have to admit, I love, appreciate, and respect the ancient native pictographs, and petroglyphs, and the rock carvings/inscriptions I've come across while exploring the desert that were done by the hardened Civil War Vets, and bad ass pioneers of the old west. Only time will tell of what will become of us measly climbers . |
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Hey J., I agree with John. Plaques have been seen at IC for a while now. Personally, I think it is kind of lame (the routes aren't THAT hard to find), but I also don't think it is a big deal. IC is an area used almost exclusively by climbers (and ranchers), and the Plaques are made from the abundant sandstone around there. If and when climbers decide that the practice is no longer kosher, it will be relatively easy to destroy them. |
J. Albers wrote: hmmmm. Well, I must admit that I don't climb at the Creek, so I don't know the local ethic. However, I am not sure why just because something is historical and falling out of favor should mean that it gets judged any less harshly than some noob with a sharpie. When did Belly go up? 1960? Doubtful. My guess is that it went up recently enough that whoever carved the name and grade should have known better. But I guess it is gnar-gnar enough that nobody should complain.The carvings at the base of routes in the Creek is a tradition since the first ascents in the 80's (earlier?). According to the guide book someone destroyed many of the original carvings in the 90's. The guide book points out the irony of how easy it was to destroy these carvings, but apparently the "activist" had no problem with chalk and bolts, which are a much more visual impact than the small blocks of rock at the base of a route. Also, the names/grades of routes are carved on stone at the Creek regardless of how "gnar-gnar" it is. Often there is a first ascent date, rarely is there a first ascent name. At least in the case of "Belly Full of Bad Berries" that is a stone that was already carved, not something that a visitor created after a proud send. I personally find it a pleasant local tradition. The visual impact of them is so minute as to hardly be worth mentioning, though I do understand the reaction to them as vandalism/graffiti. As for the tag at the bottom of Johnny Vegas, pretty surprising and lame to see that out there, but probably not enough to get me bent out of shape. I am guessing it isn't a climber who did that. |
johnL wrote: You need to re-read that part you wrote about not climbing at the creek. Just a polite heads up, you're talking out of your ass. .Well John, when I wrote "I am not a Creek local", that sort of implies that my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt...i.e. my statement should be interpreted from the perspective that my opinion was formed without knowing all of the facts. You can call that "talking out my ass" if you like, but I did my best to point out that my opinion is likely flawed. Anyway, to address your point, whether the plaques are in front of a 5.8 or 5.13 is pretty irrelevant to my stated opinion. Moreover, your argument that it is less harmful at the Creek because you can smash the plaques whenever you want is a weak defense....give me a sledge and I bet I can get rid of the stone that the noob wrote his name on with a sharpie; that doesn't change the fact that the marker writing is still lame. I don't give two poops about the Creek, but if you ask me (an uninformed, out-of-ass-talker), plaque carvings are lame. And just a polite heads up, just because you preface your statement with "Just a polite heads up" doesn't mean that you still don't sound like a bit of a jerk when you tell someone that they are "talking out of their ass". Have a good day man. |
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Everyone thinks their graffiti is da bomb, and is justified... |
