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Nov 15, 2012
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David Barbour wrote:
Shit man, what do you do? I need to switch careers.


Nothing special - I manage a retail store that sells outdoor trekking and climbing apparel. But that was my point - it's not having a job that burns people out. It's having a job IN AMERICA. Everywhere else in the developed world, you can work hard, have a decent life style and still get to spend a lot of time away from your job. I haven't applied for any jobs here that offer less than 5 weeks holiday, and even that is low. And like I said, it's not like I'm anyone special - I'm just a retail manager. A good one though. That helps.
Ryan Williams
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Since college I've been on a work 15 months, take 3 off and travel routine. It's worked pretty well, but now i'm starting to look for a career, something more fulfilling than the Strategic Consulting I've been doing the last few years.

I'm going to take 3-4 months off starting January to wander the South and West bouldering and escaping winter in MN, after which I'll try to find a job/career that I love, working outdoors.

Living simply, to me, is a lot about Taoism and minimalism. Buy what you need, appreciate what you have, work hard for what you want (but be reasonable about your wants). Just remember to smile, there are a million ways to lead a happy life, so don't get caught up on small stuff.
Greg Springer
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Nov 15, 2012
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Totally agree with this:

"It's different for everybody. Some like the daily grind and climb sporadically, some dirtbag from crag to crag and all the rocks in between. As long as your having fun your doing it right."

Pretty much sums it up for me, too...
Locker
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Nov 16, 2012
El Chorro
Locker wrote:
Totally agree with this: "It's different for everybody. Some like the daily grind and climb sporadically, some dirtbag from crag to crag and all the rocks in between. As long as your having fun your doing it right." Pretty much sums it up for me, too...


Yea but what fun is it ending the thread just because someone says something that makes sense? If we always did that, it wouldn't be the internet now would it?
Ryan Williams
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Ryan Williams wrote:
Yea but what fun is it ending the thread just because someone says something that makes sense? If we always did that, it wouldn't be the internet now would it?

who said anything about ending this thread?

btw can u tell me why it's no simple task getting Boreal shoes this side of the Pond? thank u
kirra
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Dec 5, 2012
rockerwaves
This seems to fit here:
youtube.com/watch?feature=play...
Olaf Mitchell
From Paia, Maui, Hi,
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Dec 5, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Pea...
Dana Marie wrote:
...I live on a lot less and in my free time I not only climb, but paint and do yoga. It is a much less secure but far happier environment....Peace, Dana


Dana, you are my hero. Seriously. That was nice to read. :-)
Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
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earlyretirementextreme.com/

mrmoneymustache.com/

You don't have to give it all up, but just live simpler, budget, save, save, save, and it can be done.

Retiring vs Dirtbagging
Matt N
From Santa Barbara, CA
Joined Oct 20, 2010
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Dec 5, 2012
A similar thread is taking place on Supertopo right not, except in typical Supertopo for it all takes place in the past tense. Nevertheless, some excellent responses, including one from John Gill, just a few days ago, who wrote:


In the 1950s I would meet Chouinard in the Tetons and we would camp together, boulder and climb a little together. He was living on about 25 cents a day, and I was plush with 50 cents. Yvon prided himself as a dirtbag, but beneath that sometimes grubby, grinning appearance he was a sharp man, and his "dirtbagging" transitioned to a lifestyle in which money and business led to Patagonia Industries and eventually a televised conference with President Clinton and fellow corporate leaders.

I never considered myself a "dirtbag" and always contemplated a life in which adventures on the rock were complemented with a family and an academic career of sorts. The life of a dirtbag climber - or even a "professional" climber - had little appeal because of its one-dimensionality.

Now, Chouinard is of course a very wealthy family man, and I have raised a family and live on a comfortable pension (not extravagant - my needs have never been great).

On the other hand, we all know serious climbers who dedicated themselves in a life-long manner to the sport - certainly not necessarily "dirtbags" - who, in old age, are sadly in need of fundraisers and monetary gifts from those of us who planned our lives a bit differently.

I have never regretted remaining an "amateur" in the sport and leading a more balanced life. Your description of the tedious monotony of quotidian affairs and obligations and their downward spiral into extinction is somewhat depressing. But, IMHO, is most certainly not (and not intended to be, I'm sure) an argument for "dirtbagging" one's life away.

Go sail your new boat and recapture those moments of adventure and daring . . . isn't it nice you can afford that boat? I would speculate you are much better off at your age having overcome your resistance to completing your degree years ago. From what you say, what you have missed is the wonderful world of Walt.





John Gill has always been a climber I've admired for his ability to "have it all": be a pioneering climber and have a legit career, family, etc. Read for yourself at supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2...
JCM
From Seattle, WA
Joined Jun 9, 2008
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Dec 5, 2012
Imaginate
Matt N wrote:
earlyretirementextreme.com/ mrmoneymustache.com/ You don't have to give it all up, but just live simpler, budget, save, save, save, and it can be done. Retiring vs Dirtbagging


Hey, loved the links man, thanks. I've often said it's not about how much you make, it is about how you spend it (or save it).
David Appelhans
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