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matt b · · milliken co · Joined May 2010 · Points: 0

Don't do it. I looked for advice on whether to try these cams but almost every one who bashed them had never held one in there hands. I figured what the H money back garauntee right? Wrong. It took almost a month to get them in and when I did I sent them right back. I never pull tested them but the lobes looked like I made them in my basement. I had an open mind before I got them. I was not looking for some thing pretty just functional. These things were scary looking. The metal was soft and the forms where ugly. Looked like there where cracks in the lobes. So I sent them back. 2 months later and countless Emails I still have not got my money back. If I would not have kept the Shipment# and all my paper work I would have no chance of ever getting my money. I am still waiting for a response to my last email which told them that the tracking # shows they received them. It is still possible that I will get my money back but regardless I am out 40$ shipping plus I opted for 20$ more for insurance since I did not trust them after seeing there product. I will post if I ever get my money back but don't hold you breath.

J.B. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 150

Im pretty sure black diamond tested those. Did you buy them through ebay? If you did, I'm sure you could file an ebay claim thing...

matt b · · milliken co · Joined May 2010 · Points: 0
JJ Brunner wrote:Im pretty sure black diamond tested those. Did you buy them through ebay? If you did, I'm sure you could file an ebay claim thing...
I did not buy them through Ebay I have been trying to be patiant but it has gotten rediculous. I posted this in hope that if some one is debaiting like I was they will just go buy some thing local. Touch it before you buy it. PS I have seen there link cams tested by climbers but never any where else. I would never climb on those by just hear say testing. I would have to test them my self. I probibly would have but I wanted my money asap so I could get some other gear. Jokes on me.
Wayne DENSMORE · · Superior, CO · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 5

If you paid with a credit card, you may have some recourse via your credit card company. If you have made a good faith effort to settle the issue with the merchant, you can dispute the charge and they will not pay it. There is a little more to it, but it might be a way to get what you paid them back - but not the shipping on your end of course. Your credit card company will have a form for this. Good luck.

slim · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2004 · Points: 1,103

ditto what wayne says, this has saved my bacon several times.

RockinOut · · NY, NY · Joined May 2010 · Points: 100

They`re tested in the Ukraine, and they`re not UIAA accredited. They say they are working on that accreditation.
From their Website:
"All equipment has been tested by "STANDART" the Ukrainian National Scientific-Certification Center in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. Testing procedures are based on CE and UIAA standards. For Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) to be legally sold in Ukraine it must be tested by "STANDART." Upon your request we will scan and email you the image of the original testing certificate (Russian language)."
shop.gear4rocks.com/en/cams…

That should have been a red flag right there

matt b · · milliken co · Joined May 2010 · Points: 0
RockinOut wrote:They`re tested in the Ukraine, and they`re not UIAA accredited. They say they are working on that accreditation. From their Website: "All equipment has been tested by "STANDART" the Ukrainian National Scientific-Certification Center in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. Testing procedures are based on CE and UIAA standards. For Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) to be legally sold in Ukraine it must be tested by "STANDART." Upon your request we will scan and email you the image of the original testing certificate (Russian language)." shop.gear4rocks.com/en/cams… That should have been a red flag right there
I know stupid me! Every body pleas have a good laugh. I am not being sarcastic I deserve it. But it is worth it for me to put my self out there take some sh@$ so I can help someone else avoid feeling like an a@@
Woodchuck ATC · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 3,280

I bought one last year on ebay just out of curiosity, probably knowing I'm wasting 35 bucks or so. Ditto on all above observations for flimsy parts and construction. I'd use a screamer on it if placed at all.

J.B. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 150

I would totally buy one and test fall on it (backed up of course...) but they're suprisingly expensive for sketchy gear from Ukraine. You can get much less sketch used BD and Metolius cams for cheaper.

Jeff Johnston · · Bozeman, MT · Joined Sep 2010 · Points: 110

For those who are willing to wait for a bargain...
A few weeks ago mountaingear.com was selling Metolius power cams for $35.00 each.
I have read a few sketchy things about the "gear for rocks". I'm a cheapskate when it come to paying for gear. I have rarely paid full price for anything. I figure if I'm willing to wait I can find gear for the price of the "gear for rocks" but with the mind ease of a CE and UIAA cert item.

Good luck with getting you $ back and climb safe.

Martin Harris · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 200

hey guys i have to say i did buy those gear for rocks cams and yes they are a little scary but if used to augment a rack i think they are perfect. when climbing splitters that are slightly out of my leage i would rather have 4 gear for rocks cams in the wall then only 2 bds with twice the runout. Saying that i am now building my doubles and trips with bd but mostly because i find them way easier to place and retrive.
To make a long story short i have wipped on to gear for rocks cams and they have been fine but if you have the cash go for the C4s.

Tparis · · Pottersville,New York · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 270
martinharris wrote:hey guys i have to say i did buy those gear for rocks cams and yes they are a little scary but if used to augment a rack i think they are perfect. when climbing splitters that are slightly out of my leage i would rather have 4 gear for rocks cams in the wall then only 2 bds with twice the runout. Saying that i am now building my doubles and trips with bd but mostly because i find them way easier to place and retrive. To make a long story short i have wipped on to gear for rocks cams and they have been fine but if you have the cash go for the C4s.
I choose life.
matt b · · milliken co · Joined May 2010 · Points: 0
martinharris wrote:hey guys i have to say i did buy those gear for rocks cams and yes they are a little scary but if used to augment a rack i think they are perfect. when climbing splitters that are slightly out of my leage i would rather have 4 gear for rocks cams in the wall then only 2 bds with twice the runout. Saying that i am now building my doubles and trips with bd but mostly because i find them way easier to place and retrive. To make a long story short i have wipped on to gear for rocks cams and they have been fine but if you have the cash go for the C4s.
I bought some old rigid stem friends to build my rack they were used but I trust them way more than GFR. I would rather have 4 friends than 2 C4s as you said. That being said as much as did not want to admit it the C4s expansion range makes a huge differance. I tried doing things the cheap way if I could go back I would just spend the money on C4s. PS I thought I would trust new GFR cams instead of used friends but with a quick comparison even my wife who does not climb said F those GFR cams use the friends.
Martin Harris · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 200

i have some forged friends as well and they work great as also but as i stated if you have the cash go for the c4s, i dont think i will buy any other cams other than bd and maybe some technical friends

Mike · · Phoenix · Joined May 2006 · Points: 2,615
martinharris wrote:i have some forged friends as well and they work great as also but as i stated if you have the cash go for the c4s, i dont think i will buy any other cams other than bd and maybe some technical friends
There are lots of good cams out there. Just b/c GFR sucks doesn't mean other brands besides C4 & tech friends suck. Check out Metolius, Trango, Wired Bliss, and WC Zeros, just to name a few. Wired Bliss even has a killer sale going on right now.
Woodchuck ATC · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 3,280

How about Empire Cams. Anybody get some of their various designs? Great prices, just seems they are out of stock alot.

Amos Patrick · · Estes Park · Joined Dec 2001 · Points: 337

Gotta admit, I am pretty curious about those plastic nuts.

Jeff Johnston · · Bozeman, MT · Joined Sep 2010 · Points: 110
Woodchuck ATC wrote:How about Empire Cams. Anybody get some of their various designs? Great prices, just seems they are out of stock alot.
My climbing buddy has a few of the Rock empire robot cams. Not the smoothest action and they weight a ton. But they will hold a fall like a champ. I took a 15 footer and a number 5 about the same size and a metolius 3 power cam (60 - 90 mm ish) and it didnt budge a bit; not even any visible damage to the cam. But that same size cam is rates to 15 kn compared to the same size metolius at 10kn. They are tanks and if you dont mind the weight they are good cheap starter cams
Marc Squiddo · · Mountain View, CA · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 15

man these cams look like toys. Really, trusting my life on that? No thanks. Might as well buy nuts at the hardware store, drill out the threads and sling 'em. Safer

Patrick Feeney · · hartland vt · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 15

From a person who has used Gear 4 Rocks gear.i love it.i have cams and biners ,and also there Plastic nut set and i have nothing but good things about them.shipping takes awhile but its worth it.awsome design.

Patrick Feeney · · hartland vt · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 15

From a person who has used Gear 4 Rocks gear.i love it.i have cams and biners ,and also there Plastic nut set and i have nothing but good things about them.shipping takes awhile but its worth it.awsome design.

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