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By matt b
From milliken co
Sep 30, 2010

Don't do it. I looked for advice on whether to try these cams but almost every one who bashed them had never held one in there hands. I figured what the H money back garauntee right? Wrong. It took almost a month to get them in and when I did I sent them right back. I never pull tested them but the lobes looked like I made them in my basement. I had an open mind before I got them. I was not looking for some thing pretty just functional. These things were scary looking. The metal was soft and the forms where ugly. Looked like there where cracks in the lobes. So I sent them back. 2 months later and countless Emails I still have not got my money back. If I would not have kept the Shipment# and all my paper work I would have no chance of ever getting my money. I am still waiting for a response to my last email which told them that the tracking # shows they received them. It is still possible that I will get my money back but regardless I am out 40$ shipping plus I opted for 20$ more for insurance since I did not trust them after seeing there product. I will post if I ever get my money back but don't hold you breath.


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By J.J
Sep 30, 2010

Im pretty sure black diamond tested those. Did you buy them through ebay? If you did, I'm sure you could file an ebay claim thing...


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By matt b
From milliken co
Sep 30, 2010

JJ Brunner wrote:
Im pretty sure black diamond tested those. Did you buy them through ebay? If you did, I'm sure you could file an ebay claim thing...


I did not buy them through Ebay I have been trying to be patiant but it has gotten rediculous. I posted this in hope that if some one is debaiting like I was they will just go buy some thing local. Touch it before you buy it. PS I have seen there link cams tested by climbers but never any where else. I would never climb on those by just hear say testing. I would have to test them my self. I probibly would have but I wanted my money asap so I could get some other gear. Jokes on me.


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By Wayne
From Superior, CO
Sep 30, 2010

If you paid with a credit card, you may have some recourse via your credit card company. If you have made a good faith effort to settle the issue with the merchant, you can dispute the charge and they will not pay it. There is a little more to it, but it might be a way to get what you paid them back - but not the shipping on your end of course. Your credit card company will have a form for this. Good luck.


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By slim
Administrator
Sep 30, 2010
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.

ditto what wayne says, this has saved my bacon several times.


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By RockinOut
From NY, NY
Sep 30, 2010
Gear

They`re tested in the Ukraine, and they`re not UIAA accredited. They say they are working on that accreditation.
From their Website:
"All equipment has been tested by "STANDART" the Ukrainian National Scientific-Certification Center in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. Testing procedures are based on CE and UIAA standards. For Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) to be legally sold in Ukraine it must be tested by "STANDART." Upon your request we will scan and email you the image of the original testing certificate (Russian language)."
shop.gear4rocks.com/en/cams-friends/sets-of-cams/2axle-cams->>>

That should have been a red flag right there


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By matt b
From milliken co
Sep 30, 2010

RockinOut wrote:
They`re tested in the Ukraine, and they`re not UIAA accredited. They say they are working on that accreditation. From their Website: "All equipment has been tested by "STANDART" the Ukrainian National Scientific-Certification Center in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. Testing procedures are based on CE and UIAA standards. For Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) to be legally sold in Ukraine it must be tested by "STANDART." Upon your request we will scan and email you the image of the original testing certificate (Russian language)." shop.gear4rocks.com/en/cams-friends/sets-of-cams/2axle-cams->>> That should have been a red flag right there


I know stupid me! Every body pleas have a good laugh. I am not being sarcastic I deserve it. But it is worth it for me to put my self out there take some sh@$ so I can help someone else avoid feeling like an a@@


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By Woodchuck ATC
Sep 30, 2010
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008

I bought one last year on ebay just out of curiosity, probably knowing I'm wasting 35 bucks or so. Ditto on all above observations for flimsy parts and construction. I'd use a screamer on it if placed at all.


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By J.J
Oct 2, 2010

I would totally buy one and test fall on it (backed up of course...) but they're suprisingly expensive for sketchy gear from Ukraine. You can get much less sketch used BD and Metolius cams for cheaper.


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By Jeff J
From Bozeman
Oct 5, 2010

For those who are willing to wait for a bargain...
A few weeks ago mountaingear.com was selling Metolius power cams for $35.00 each.
I have read a few sketchy things about the "gear for rocks". I'm a cheapskate when it come to paying for gear. I have rarely paid full price for anything. I figure if I'm willing to wait I can find gear for the price of the "gear for rocks" but with the mind ease of a CE and UIAA cert item.

Good luck with getting you $ back and climb safe.


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By martinharris
From Glenwood Springs CO
Oct 11, 2010

hey guys i have to say i did buy those gear for rocks cams and yes they are a little scary but if used to augment a rack i think they are perfect. when climbing splitters that are slightly out of my leage i would rather have 4 gear for rocks cams in the wall then only 2 bds with twice the runout. Saying that i am now building my doubles and trips with bd but mostly because i find them way easier to place and retrive.
To make a long story short i have wipped on to gear for rocks cams and they have been fine but if you have the cash go for the C4s.


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By Tparis
From Pottersville,New York
Oct 11, 2010
fall foliage 5.7+ slab

martinharris wrote:
hey guys i have to say i did buy those gear for rocks cams and yes they are a little scary but if used to augment a rack i think they are perfect. when climbing splitters that are slightly out of my leage i would rather have 4 gear for rocks cams in the wall then only 2 bds with twice the runout. Saying that i am now building my doubles and trips with bd but mostly because i find them way easier to place and retrive. To make a long story short i have wipped on to gear for rocks cams and they have been fine but if you have the cash go for the C4s.


I choose life.


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By matt b
From milliken co
Oct 12, 2010

martinharris wrote:
hey guys i have to say i did buy those gear for rocks cams and yes they are a little scary but if used to augment a rack i think they are perfect. when climbing splitters that are slightly out of my leage i would rather have 4 gear for rocks cams in the wall then only 2 bds with twice the runout. Saying that i am now building my doubles and trips with bd but mostly because i find them way easier to place and retrive. To make a long story short i have wipped on to gear for rocks cams and they have been fine but if you have the cash go for the C4s.


I bought some old rigid stem friends to build my rack they were used but I trust them way more than GFR. I would rather have 4 friends than 2 C4s as you said. That being said as much as did not want to admit it the C4s expansion range makes a huge differance. I tried doing things the cheap way if I could go back I would just spend the money on C4s. PS I thought I would trust new GFR cams instead of used friends but with a quick comparison even my wife who does not climb said F those GFR cams use the friends.


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By martinharris
From Glenwood Springs CO
Dec 18, 2010

i have some forged friends as well and they work great as also but as i stated if you have the cash go for the c4s, i dont think i will buy any other cams other than bd and maybe some technical friends


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By Mike
From Phoenix
Dec 19, 2010
Doing the jump-across off The Mace.  I never get tired of this climb.  Photo by Wednesday Hugus.

martinharris wrote:
i have some forged friends as well and they work great as also but as i stated if you have the cash go for the c4s, i dont think i will buy any other cams other than bd and maybe some technical friends


There are lots of good cams out there. Just b/c GFR sucks doesn't mean other brands besides C4 & tech friends suck. Check out Metolius, Trango, Wired Bliss, and WC Zeros, just to name a few. Wired Bliss even has a killer sale going on right now.


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By Woodchuck ATC
Dec 19, 2010
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008

How about Empire Cams. Anybody get some of their various designs? Great prices, just seems they are out of stock alot.


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By goatboywonder
Dec 19, 2010
Hiking around Lumpy

Gotta admit, I am pretty curious about those plastic nuts.


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By Jeff J
From Bozeman
Dec 30, 2010

Woodchuck ATC wrote:
How about Empire Cams. Anybody get some of their various designs? Great prices, just seems they are out of stock alot.


My climbing buddy has a few of the Rock empire robot cams. Not the smoothest action and they weight a ton. But they will hold a fall like a champ. I took a 15 footer and a number 5 about the same size and a metolius 3 power cam (60 - 90 mm ish) and it didnt budge a bit; not even any visible damage to the cam. But that same size cam is rates to 15 kn compared to the same size metolius at 10kn. They are tanks and if you dont mind the weight they are good cheap starter cams


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By squiddo
From Mountain View, CA
Dec 30, 2010
A fine day at Reeds- Ejesta!

man these cams look like toys. Really, trusting my life on that? No thanks. Might as well buy nuts at the hardware store, drill out the threads and sling 'em. Safer


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By Patrick Feeney
From hartland vt
Dec 30, 2010

From a person who has used Gear 4 Rocks gear.i love it.i have cams and biners ,and also there Plastic nut set and i have nothing but good things about them.shipping takes awhile but its worth it.awsome design.


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By Patrick Feeney
From hartland vt
Dec 30, 2010

From a person who has used Gear 4 Rocks gear.i love it.i have cams and biners ,and also there Plastic nut set and i have nothing but good things about them.shipping takes awhile but its worth it.awsome design.


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By Patrick Feeney
From hartland vt
Dec 30, 2010

From a person who has used Gear 4 Rocks gear.i love it.i have cams and biners ,and also there Plastic nut set and i have nothing but good things about them.shipping takes awhile but its worth it.awsome design.


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By matt b
From milliken co
Dec 31, 2010

Still have not seen any money. The only thing that has changed is they stopped responding to my Emails. I have been very polite in my Emails but I guess they just dont have any interest in paying me back.


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By Robert Buswold
From Longmont, CO
Jan 5, 2011
Clear Creek Canyon, Capitalist Crag

RockinOut wrote:
They`re tested in the Ukraine, and they`re not UIAA accredited. They say they are working on that accreditation. From their Website: "All equipment has been tested by "STANDART" the Ukrainian National Scientific-Certification Center in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. Testing procedures are based on CE and UIAA standards. For Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) to be legally sold in Ukraine it must be tested by "STANDART." Upon your request we will scan and email you the image of the original testing certificate (Russian language)." shop.gear4rocks.com/en/cams-friends/sets-of-cams/2axle-cams->>> That should have been a red flag right there


Yeah, look how good Ukrainian testing has been in the past!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Jan 5, 2011
El Chorro

Robert Buswold wrote:
Yeah, look how good Ukrainian testing has been in the past! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster




Ha you beat me to it. Every time see these things I think of Nuclear Meltdown.

And do the people that bought one "just to see" what they are like:
Next time you get the urge to spend money on something that is so obviously a bunch of crap... get in touch with me and see if I need anything first!


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Jan 5, 2011
El Chorro

Patrick Feeney wrote:
From a person who has used Gear 4 Rocks gear.i love it.i have cams and biners ,and also there Plastic nut set and i have nothing but good things about them.shipping takes awhile but its worth it.awsome design.


Have you ever fallen on any of their gear?


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