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Gargantua 

YDS: 5.10b French: 6a+ Ewbanks: 19 UIAA: VII- ZA: 19 British: E2 5b

   
Type:  Trad, TR
Consensus:  YDS: 5.10b French: 6a+ Ewbanks: 19 UIAA: VII- ZA: 19 British: E2 5b [details]
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Submitted By: Tom Anderson-Brown on Oct 11, 2001

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As noted in another photo, a BD C4 #2 provid...

Description 

Gargantua is a fun climb with an interesting start and finish. Start out under the right side of a sizeable roof (this roof is shared by Sepsen Wall, Uberschmitt, and Tarantula). Work your way up and out on the overhang, palming a rounded point on the edge of the roof. Swing your right foot above the roof and power over in one move to the dihedral above. Proceed up the fairly easy dihedral until hitting the "summit" block. Use fine face holds to surmount the block and top out with a mantel.


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Photos of Gargantua Slideshow Add Photo
Pulling through the roof.
Pulling through the roof.
Gargantua, with the 5.9 variation start shown to the right.
BETA PHOTO: Gargantua, with the 5.9 variation start shown to t...
Tom Anderson-Brown at the start of Gargantua.
Tom Anderson-Brown at the start of Gargantua.
Tom A-B locking onto the sloper.
Tom A-B locking onto the sloper.
Another beta photo? Sure!
BETA PHOTO: Another beta photo? Sure!
Tom A-B pondering the move over the roof.
Tom A-B pondering the move over the roof.
Rudy
Rudy
Tom A-B failing to make progress on the roof.
Tom A-B failing to make progress on the roof.
All 5 feet of her!
All 5 feet of her!
A failed attempt on the roof of Gargantua.
A failed attempt on the roof of Gargantua.
Andy on Gargantua Variation.
Andy on Gargantua Variation.
Burt P. on the right variation of Gargantua.
Burt P. on the right variation of Gargantua.
A bomber #2 C4 protects this move. Solid route. Photo: Jungle Dog
A bomber #2 C4 protects this move. Solid rou...
Burt P. on the balancey traverse of the Gargantua variation.
Burt P. on the balancey traverse of the Gargantua ...
pulling the overhang on toprope.
pulling the overhang on toprope.
This photo was taken on Decadence Day. <br /> <br />An end o' season thing we used to do. Where everyone would bring TON's of food, grills, Beer & Wine by the case, chairs shit you name it.... <br /> <br />Then we consumed & Climbed the day away <br /> <br /> <br />Check out them tights!
This photo was taken on Decadence Day.

An end o' ...
Roof sequence. The missing bit is the high step over the lip. I go up with my right foot, but I've seen taller folks go up with the left! <br /> <br />- Photos by Brett Verhoef
BETA PHOTO: Roof sequence. The missing bit is the high step ov...
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By Anonymous Coward
Feb 26, 2002

one can also finish by going left or right at the break on top

By Dan
Apr 13, 2004

this route is by far the funnest lead ive done so far at the lake. a fun roof on the bottom, a crack to sew all the way up, and a few face moves followed by a slopey mantle. cant go wrong with that!!

By Anonymous Coward
Aug 15, 2005

does anyone think the var. is less than a 5.9?

By Ian Schmit
Apr 24, 2007

To whoever said the variation is less than 5.9. Get on the sharp end for a change and do the top out move, then talk. The bottom traverse isn't the crux of the route, the top out is. But on lead the traverse is nice and spicy and feels sufficiently close to 5.9 as you have no gear that would catch you before you dirt.

By John W. Knoernschild
From: Wisconsin
Aug 27, 2008
rating: 5.10b/c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b

A great climb. The roof will rip the skin right off your arms and legs when you fall. I took many a fall on the roof before I got through it.

By Tom Petraitis
From: Evanston, IL
May 4, 2009
rating: 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b

This is a really fun cruiser route, but the rating seems questionable. When I climbed it a couple years ago I thought the Gargantua roof problem was the start of Sepsen Wall and the roof seemed by far the hardest part of my off-course Sepsen ascent. I was really hurting after I pulled the roof, but I onsighted the route and felt pretty good about it. My roof solution--a right foot heel hook and hard crank over--just like everyone seems to do. I just visited it with 8 climbers and they all did the same thing... and gave it up.

Since I could not believe that this was a 10b and that was a 10b move (it felt like 12c) I looked this time for another solution and found that if I faced the big notch squarely with enough reach to grab some so-so holds above the roof I could "walk" my feet up the underside of the roof and get over. It still did not seem like a 10b solution. There was a ton of pressure on my fingers, but they held. 5.12 pressure!

The 5.9 variation is a really enjoyable climb and deserves to be THE GARGANTUA and the roof sequence should be known as THE 5.10c/5.11c VARIATION. And while the top of Gargantua is a bit baffling there is a sure 5.9 solution that I was able to easily talk every would-be 5.9 climber in our group thru. The variation is much more evenly sustained, and seems like the it should be The route.

By Tradoholic
Aug 18, 2009
rating: 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b

No way is this 11c, just an awkward 10b. I have never failed in just kneeing it out over the roof, awkwardly. I think Tarantula is the better variation, albeit rated more like 5.9 than 10b. A climber should do themselves a favor and skip this one and do Tarantula instead.

By Tom Petraitis
From: Evanston, IL
Nov 9, 2009
rating: 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b

Maybe we "should" skip it, but no-one I've climbed with has that much sense! The roof presents an impressive and un-ignorable challenge. As for the knee-lever solution, I think everyone tried that after all else had failed, and that doesn't seem to work much better. I'm telling you: EIGHT guys tried hard, guys that do fine on most 10s and some 11s, even crazy bouldery ones. Ratings should reflect consensus. And this route, worthy or unworthy as it may be, doesn't have it.

By Doug Hemken
Administrator
Nov 9, 2009

Don't read this if you are interested in an on-sight.




If you look at Nathan E's photo sequence, and replace his heel hook with a toe, then rock onto that toe (move your whole body and your hands much further right), then its a tenish move. No way I climb 5.12.

In 1970 this was considered an F9 !

I think the difficulty is that most people do not see this on-sight (at least I didn't), and tackling it straight on is harder by about the degree suggested here.

Tarantula is a much more natural on-sight. All these variations are fun and worth doing

By HTeale
From: Madison, WI
Oct 3, 2010

The rock that the person is pulling on in the photo is LOOSE. We were able to move it with a 165# person trying to pull the roof. Odds are good that it's not going to come down. If you like your belayer make certain they stand in a safe location, just in case....

By Tom Mulholland
From: #1 Cheese Producing State!
May 13, 2011
rating: 5.10b/c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b

The leader interested in well-protecting the mantle can place a #1 C4 high in a crack from the handjam at the crux. It's a pretty strenuous placement, but very bomber and much appreciated.

By Tom Petraitis
From: Evanston, IL
May 30, 2011
rating: 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b

Okay. I was wrong. As Doug Hemken suggests, the right foot heel hook beta doesn't work so well. A toe does. 10b

If your interested in doing it a harder way don't do either the toe or the heel!

By Ryan Strong
From: Golden, CO
Mar 12, 2012

Hansen, you should post that photo I took of you last year deadpointing the topout move on this route.

By fat cow
From: Salinas, CA
May 1, 2012

i thought the top out was the crux... even on toprope

By Henryluedtke
From: Wisconsin
May 4, 2014

Just got on the route yesterday and noticed the large flake-jug thing right underneath the roof is loose. Not sure if its always been that way but there were a couple of large white X's on it. I managed to get over the roof without using it and I recommend anyone else do the same because it seemed like something was up with that flake unfortunately. Also, a mourning dove made her nest right in the back of the jugs so expect to be harassed by a couple of angry pigeons. Great climb anyway!

By Terry Kieck
May 5, 2014

The large flake has been loose as long as I can remember. Certainly unnerving to pull on it though...