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By Terence
From Almont, CO
Nov 7, 2012

Ha, It was a math joke. Apparently it wasn't funny. Being a climber I am well aware of the history.

Also, Colorado has been the weed mecca for a long time, more than Amsterdam. This is just the politics following the people. I personally am psyched for this.


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Nov 7, 2012
El Chorro

Lynn S wrote:
Having worked with addicts and alcoholics for over 7 years I can only give you my experiences. A majority of my clients, most of whom are under 25, started with pot and many of those also using alcohol. In my work experience, hearing the clients stories, for them pot was a "gateway" to other substances. My intent is not to preach, I'm just sharing my experience working with people that are struggling with addiction and pot has been a launching point for them. I feel like now in Colorado we have made this even more accessible. I also don't think that the cartel/violent crime reduction rate will prove valid. The cartels are not going anywhere and there are just bad people out there who will continue to do bad stuff. Enough of this, I'm going to Rifle, one last sunny fall day!


I think it's great that there are people like you that try and help others who are struggling with addiction. There are a lot of people out there that need help. But you can't honestly believe that legalizing marijuana is going to increase the number of people that get hooked on crack, meth or heroine.

It reality, legalizing it may even help. That way an adult that wants to smoke a joint to relax after work (as opposed to having a beer) doesn't have to hang out at some dealer's apartment or buy a bag of who knows what from the guy on the corner. Instead he can safely go and get a quality product from a legal store - and even pay taxes on it!

The US has about 5% of the worlds population but incarcerates 25% of the worlds prisoners. Nearly 1% of our population in in jail! For the 50 years before Nixon, it was more like one tenth of a percent. Then the war on drugs happened. Now there are over one million arrests for marijuana every year.

I don't need to tell you how many tax dollars are spent on arresting, trying and jailing people for the use of marijuana. It's absurd.

I also don't need to tell you how much money "for profit prisons" are making these days. And I don't even want to think about how much of those profits get kicked back to the politicians that keep these drugs illegal.

Bottom line is that the Federal Government is now a money making machine. It is organized crime, plain and simple. Criminalization of drugs is just one of many ways that the people in control are using the American public as their own personal slaves.

Congratulations to CO and WA for stepping up and giving the Federal Government a big FU. I only hope that other states will follow suit with marijuana, abortion, gay marriage, healthcare, etc.


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By Christian Mason
From Arvada, CO
Nov 7, 2012
Dragon's Tongue - Vail, Co.

Jason N. wrote:
Where did you see that?

www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21941918/nation-watches-c>>>


Midway down the page:
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Questions about regulation and enforcement still abound. The first recreational stores would be slated to open in January 2014 and would be separate from existing medical marijuana dispensaries. Local governments could ban marijuana sales, and employers could still bar employees from using the drug.
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The tenses of the article make it apparent that most of it was written before the measure passed.


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By John Fatseas
From Denver, CO
Nov 7, 2012
Lake City, CO <br />mixin it up

Ryan Williams - AMEN BROTHER!


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By Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Nov 7, 2012
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stiletto, Sharkstooth, Forbidden Tower, Petit Grepon, The Saber, The Foil, The Moon & The Jackknife.

It's also worth pointing out that 64 also allows us to grow hemp (defined as marijuana plants with less than .3% THC content). Now we have a whole new industry of fast-growing hemp for clothes, paper, industrial supplies, etc in Colorado.

Why we've been cutting down trees to make paper products for so long is beyond comprehension.


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Nov 7, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Ryan Williams wrote:
I think it's great that there are people like you that try and help others who are struggling with addiction. There are a lot of people out there that need help. But you can't honestly believe that legalizing marijuana is going to increase the number of people that get hooked on crack, meth or heroine. It reality, legalizing it may even help. That way an adult that wants to smoke a joint to relax after work (as opposed to having a beer) doesn't have to hang out at some dealer's apartment or buy a bag of who knows what from the guy on the corner. Instead he can safely go and get a quality product from a legal store - and even pay taxes on it! The US has about 5% of the worlds population but incarcerates 25% of the worlds prisoners. Nearly 1% of our population in in jail! For the 50 years before Nixon, it was more like one tenth of a percent. Then the war on drugs happened. Now there are over one million arrests for marijuana every year. I don't need to tell you how many tax dollars are spent on arresting, trying and jailing people for the use of marijuana. It's absurd. I also don't need to tell you how much money "for profit prisons" are making these days. And I don't even want to think about how much of those profits get kicked back to the politicians that keep these drugs illegal. Bottom line is that the Federal Government is now a money making machine. It is organized crime, plain and simple. Criminalization of drugs is just one of many ways that the people in control are using the American public as their own personal slaves. Congratulations to CO and WA for stepping up and giving the Federal Government a big FU. I only hope that other states will follow suit with marijuana, abortion, gay marriage, healthcare, etc.


Couldn't have said it better. Anyone that isn't up to speed on for profit prison systems, do a quick search of how Louisiana works.


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By J C Wilks
From Loveland, CO
Nov 7, 2012

Colorado is doomed:



Proof


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By Garrick Muehlnickel
From Parker,CO
Nov 7, 2012
Climber on Equinox- Castlewood Canyon

I am going to name my first plant "Hippie Longstockings". Second "Grassputin".


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Nov 7, 2012
El Chorro

Garrick Muehlnickel wrote:
I am going to name my first plant "Hippie Longstockings". Second "Grassputin".


PM me if you want to learn how to make those plants taste delicious! For a small, one time payment of $19.95 you could be the proud... ;-)

I can honestly say that this has been the biggest reason that I regret leaving the US. We saw this coming - legalization for medicine and now for recreation. A lot of money to be made and a lot of people to serve - and now it can be done legally!


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By Ian Stewart
Nov 7, 2012

I actually had a question about the law: it states that you can have up to one ounce, or up to 6 plants, 3 of which can be mature flowering plants. Seeing as a single plant can produce far more than 1oz of bud (not to mention a big batch of butter from the trimmings), how do those restrictions fit in together?


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By Garrick Muehlnickel
From Parker,CO
Nov 7, 2012
Climber on Equinox- Castlewood Canyon

The plants are to be kept " privately in a locked space". You can carry a ounce. The best line in the amendment is , "and give as a gift up to one ounce to other citizens twenty-one years of age or older". Johnny Appleseed is all grown up!!!


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Nov 7, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Now that Virginia is a "blue state" maybe we will follow suit. It is doubtful though.


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Nov 7, 2012
El Chorro

Ian Stewart wrote:
I actually had a question about the law: it states that you can have up to one ounce, or up to 6 plants, 3 of which can be mature flowering plants. Seeing as a single plant can produce far more than 1oz of bud (not to mention a big batch of butter from the trimmings), how do those restrictions fit in together?


That is a good question. I've read "An individual of at least 21 years of age is permitted to carry in possession a total of an ounce." I assume that to mean carry on your person. I haven't read anything about how much finished product you are allowed to keep from your six plants. What happens when you're finished drying all the bud and you've got a pound of weed at your house from your own plants. What happens if the cops decide to weigh it before it's dry? Does having the yield from six plants constitute probable cause for a cop to enter your house?

A lot of questions. I haven't read the law though.


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By Ian Stewart
Nov 7, 2012

Garrick Muehlnickel wrote:
The plants are to be kept " privately in a locked space". You can carry a ounce.


Are there other limits for how much product you have "locked up"?


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By Garrick Muehlnickel
From Parker,CO
Nov 7, 2012
Climber on Equinox- Castlewood Canyon

(b) POSSESSING, GROWING, PROCESSING, OR TRANSPORTING NO MORE THAN SIX MARIJUANA PLANTS, WITH THREE OR FEWER BEING MATURE, FLOWERING PLANTS, AND POSSESSION OF THE MARIJUANA PRODUCED BY THE PLANTS ON THE PREMISES WHERE THE PLANTS WERE GROWN, PROVIDED THAT THE GROWING TAKES PLACE IN AN ENCLOSED, LOCKED SPACE, IS NOT CONDUCTED OPENLY OR PUBLICLY, AND IS NOT MADE AVAILABLE FOR SALE.


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Nov 7, 2012
Bocan

chufftard wrote:
Why isn't alcohol the gateway drug? Or sudaephedrine, or painkillers? Why pick the one substance that has been proven again and again to have zero chemical dependency? One can make the case that thc can lead to psychological dependency, but again, why weed and not alcohol?


Indeed...if anything our culture of "better living through chemistry" and the for profit perscription culture brought about by the pharma companies is the gateway AND the cause.

You don't hear about whole towns and families desperately strung out on pot, but instead it's all oxy which is perscribe at will in strong doses.

IMO most of the reason why it's illegal is because of the pharma companies, legacy conspiracies from the oil and paper families, media driven false perception and other unrational thought processes. There is minimal evidience to show WHY it should be illegal, esepcially when we sell toxin loaded cigarettes to anyone over 18.

Money is the name of the game folks...Gateway schmateway. Like Chuck D said..."don't believe the hype".


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Nov 7, 2012
El Chorro

Well there ya go. Thanks Garrick.


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By Lynn S
Nov 7, 2012
old

Good to see the high level of tolerance here on the forum:)

While you were all getting riled up I enjoyed a few nice hours in Rifle. It's still beautiful here on the western slope.


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Nov 7, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Lynn S wrote:
Good to see the high level of tolerance here on the forum:) While you were all getting riled up I enjoyed a few nice hours in Rifle. It's still beautiful here on the western slope.


While you were at Rifle, I did a couple of lines in the bathroom where I work. It all started with the joint I smoked at lunch.


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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Nov 7, 2012
Stoked...

Lynn S wrote:
Good to see the high level of tolerance here on the forum:) While you were all getting riled up I enjoyed a few nice hours in Rifle. It's still beautiful here on the western slope.


Still beautiful... no hordes of pot addicted teens running amuck in the mountains yet? better brace your clinic and get a few cots for those addicts.


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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Nov 7, 2012
Stoked...

Jake Jones wrote:
While you were at Rifle, I did a couple of lines in the bathroom where I work. It all started with the joint I smoked at lunch.


hahah great!


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By Lynn S
Nov 7, 2012
old

Okay what about combining a legalizing pot and fixed draws discussion? Any opinions?


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By Lynn S
Nov 7, 2012
old

Jake Jones wrote:
While you were at Rifle, I did a couple of lines in the bathroom where I work. It all started with the joint I smoked at lunch.


Best line of the day! We have a winner.


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By von dykes
Nov 7, 2012

I approve


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By von dykes
Nov 7, 2012

So now people r gonna be going to AA meetings and instead of smoking cigarettes outside they will be smoking weed....


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