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By Merlin
From Grand Junction
Nov 15, 2012

chufftard wrote:
so say i am KKK and I don't want to hire black people, thats ok I own the job! or, women, or gays, or oh yeah people who smoke a plant while not at work.


Reductio ad absurdum arguments are every bit as moronic when promoting the free use of marijuana as they are in asserting that gay marriage leads to people marrying their pets.

Try a course in logic.


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By handon broward
From Rochester, NY / Aspen, CO
Nov 15, 2012
Elk Range, CO

You guys.

This maybe be what you like to talk about when getting high with your friends. But seriously, this thread is supposed to be celebratory. You're gonna confuse all the stoners with your vast essays of knowledge.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Nov 15, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Scott McMahon wrote:
Absolutely...States rights vs. the Fed has been a fight since the beginning.

Aaron Burr got to Hamilton a few decades too late and we're ALL suffering for it.


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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Nov 15, 2012
Epic free solo with a pack on

That's right Handon...despite a lick of sarcasm I detect in there!

Wax poetically all you want about the pros and cons of legalizing marijuana, just realize that unlike most issues, there IS a right answer with this one


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Nov 15, 2012
El Chorro

What the fuck is going on?


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By Jon Zucco
From Denver, CO
Nov 15, 2012
yaak crack Red Rock Canyon, NV

Ryan Williams wrote:
What the fuck is going on?


This thread went and got way too high and now cannot sleep due to incessant, paranoid and incoherent chains of thought.


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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Nov 16, 2012
Epic free solo with a pack on

What the fuck did I do last night? My head is poundingfrom all the alcohol I ingested...I wish I had some of nature's best hangover cure. And i'm not talking about twater


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Nov 16, 2012
You stay away from mah pig!

Tony B wrote:
Aaron Burr got to Hamilton a few decades too late and we're ALL suffering for it.


Uh huh, right... damn those states rights infringements like Roe v. Wade, Loving v. Virginia and the Voting Rights Act. Unethical violations of the democratic spirit, they are!


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Nov 16, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Jon Zucco wrote:
This thread went and got way too high and now cannot sleep due to incessant, paranoid and incoherent chains of thought.


I suspect this as well, although I'm high, so my chain of thought might not be up to par.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Nov 16, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

camhead wrote:
Uh huh, right... damn those states rights infringements like Roe v. Wade, Loving v. Virginia and the Voting Rights Act. Unethical violations of the democratic spirit, they are!

Thank Madison for that, not Hamilton. Hamilton did NOT want federal limits of power, he wanted federal power. He was a nationalist.


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Nov 16, 2012
Bocan

Ben Brotelho wrote:
What the fuck did I do last night? My head is poundingfrom all the alcohol I ingested...I wish I had some of nature's best hangover cure. And i'm not talking about twater


It's natures best hangover cure because it makes you drink a lot of water, eat a bunch of food and sleep. And because you're high you don't notice how crappy you feel.

I wouldn't necessarily say the weed is the "cure", more of a catalyst.


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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Nov 16, 2012
Epic free solo with a pack on

Wanna send me some? This town blows for the green treatment


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By Evan S
From Erie, CO
Nov 16, 2012
Me, of course

Ben Brotelho wrote:
Wanna send me some? This town blows for the green treatment


https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/

You have the power.


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Nov 16, 2012
El Chorro

I just dropped my half rolled J on the keyboard and now it's all down in the cracks.


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By Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Nov 16, 2012
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stiletto, Sharkstooth, Forbidden Tower, Petit Grepon, The Saber, The Foil, The Moon & The Jackknife.

Tony B wrote:
Huh? A libertarian says that legalizing pot is good even if he doesn't use it and that's an inconsistency? Either I don't understand your statement or your logic. I'm pretty consistent. I'd legalize pretty much everything that doesn't have a victim.


Remember that time you lectured a group of people about the perils of smoking weed while climbing? But it turned out they weren't actually smoking pot.

I remember:

matt.I.b wrote:
First off at the start of the day [Tony B] stuck his head out from the tipped boulder and asked if we were the one puffing. We we not nor were the other five climbers at the base. [Tony B] began to let us know his opinion and how he felt... At that point I really wanted to let him know how I felt about my rights and the rights of others and how he could shove...


Is that something a Libertarian would do? Or would he let people live their lives the way they see fit without interference?

Mike Lane wrote:
I really doubt that you understand what Libertarianism is. More socially liberal than your side if you want to know.


I don't have a "side." I have a mind. And who is it that doesn't understand what Libertarianism is? Pretty sure it's not me..


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By Micahisaac
From Longmont, CO
Nov 16, 2012
soloing Boulder Canyon Upper Falls

Evan S wrote:


fine print LOL
"All cannabis seeds / marijuana seeds are for educational and Souvenir purposes only"


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Nov 16, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Marc H wrote:
Remember that time you lectured a group of people about the perils of smoking weed while climbing? But it turned out they weren't actually smoking pot. I remember: Is that something a Libertarian would do? Or would he let people live their lives the way they see fit without interference? I don't have a "side." I have a mind. And who is it that doesn't understand what Libertarianism is? Pretty sure it's not me..


Hi Mark. Let me ask you this. WERE YOU THERE? You are so quick to quote what someone else said, but forgot what you said on that same thread:
Marc H wrote:
Sounds like a bad after-school special. :) I almost wish I'd been there to see it. Almost. --Marc

Because that is not what happened.
Go back to the thread and refer to when I said that the first time. Then check yourself.

"There is fiction in the space between
The lines on your page of memories
Write it down but it doesn't mean
You're not just telling stories

Give us all what we need
Give us one more sad sordid story
But in the fiction of the space between
Sometimes a lie is the best thing"


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By Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Nov 16, 2012
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stiletto, Sharkstooth, Forbidden Tower, Petit Grepon, The Saber, The Foil, The Moon & The Jackknife.

Tony B wrote:
WERE YOU THERE?


Yes. The person that your lecture was intended for was me.

Read the rest of the thread. Don't forget to read the parts where you defended yourself for going over to a bunch of random people to tell them that they shouldn't be smoking weed while climbing. But they weren't smoking weed. I was.

Sorry, should have given you a "spoiler alert!"

Now tell me all about how much of a Libertarian you are.

Tony wrote:
You are so quick to quote what someone else said, but forgot what you said on that same thread: Because that is not what happened. Go back to the thread and refer to when I said that the first time.

Not sure what this means.

Tony wrote:
Then check yourself.

Love this.

Tony wrote:
"There is fiction in the space between The lines on your page of memories Write it down but it doesn't mean You're not just telling stories Give us all what we need Give us one more sad sordid story But in the fiction of the space between Sometimes a lie is the best thing"

Ummmmm....?


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By Merlin
From Grand Junction
Nov 16, 2012

Marc H wrote:
Yes. The person that your lecture was intended for was me. Read the rest of the thread. Don't forget to read the parts where you defended yourself for going over to a bunch of random people to tell them that they shouldn't be smoking weed while climbing. But they weren't smoking weed. I was. Sorry, should have given you a "spoiler alert!" Now tell me all about how much of a Libertarian you are. Not sure what this means. Love this. Ummmmm....?



It's a popular song among stoners, Tony's baking www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/48532/


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By Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Nov 16, 2012
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stiletto, Sharkstooth, Forbidden Tower, Petit Grepon, The Saber, The Foil, The Moon & The Jackknife.

Merlin wrote:
It's a popular song among stoners, Tony's baking www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/48532/


Quoting Tracy Chapman + this ad on the same page:--- Invalid image id: 107891951 ---

=awesomeness.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Nov 16, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Tony B wrote:
Hi Mark. Let me ask you this. WERE YOU THERE?

Mark H 2012:
Marc H wrote:
Yes. The person that your lecture was intended for was me.

Mark H in 2009, the first time we hashed this out.:
Marc H wrote:
Sounds like a bad after-school special. :) I almost wish I'd been there to see it. Almost. --Marc

I repeat: check yourself.

Marc H wrote:
Sorry, should have given you a "spoiler alert!" Now tell me all about how much of a Libertarian you are.

Here is your spoiler alert:
Wade Frank wrote:
Yup, Tony is right, that is exactly how it went down.

Just remember that's me and Wade, (both of which were there), saying just how it happened, and then you, (who was not there), arguing with us about it. So why are you being such a bitch? March 2009 was a while back. Get a new soundtrack. PS: The "meanings" review of the song I posted concludes:
"But apparently everyone expects melodrama from her author-ex and Tracy accepts that its not about her, its about how this "author" needs to keep (a distorted) sad and sordid story in the public's eye."


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By Merlin
From Grand Junction
Nov 16, 2012

Does anyone else miss the good old days of MP (climbingboulder) www.mountainproject.com/v/mp-survivor-poll-results-thread/10>>>

Olsen, D'antonio, Bell, ..... Even that guy Cagni

Troll light, drama heavy


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By Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Nov 17, 2012
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stiletto, Sharkstooth, Forbidden Tower, Petit Grepon, The Saber, The Foil, The Moon & The Jackknife.

Tony B wrote:
I repeat: check yourself.


You can repeat that as many times as you would like. It makes me laugh each time.

Tony wrote:
Just remember that's me and Wade, (both of which were there), saying just how it happened, and then you, (who was not there), arguing with us about it.


I'm really not sure where the breakdown in your understanding is. I was there. I was the soloist in the story. Here are some more facts for you:

  • You approached a random group of six climbers and gave them an unsolicited lecture about smoking weed and climbing.
  • One of the people in that group posted that left a bad taste in his mouth; and he asserted his right to smoke if he wanted to even though he wasn't actually smoking.
  • Your response to him asserting his rights was this:
Tony B wrote:
tell me about your "right" to smoke pot in Eldo. hahha ha. Go tell it to a cop or a judge or someone who even cares. They'll explain it better to you.

  • And now you're claiming that you're not a fair-weather Libertarian.

Tony B wrote:
So why are you being such a bitch?


Why do you resort to name calling just because I pointed out your hypocrisy? I don't think it does anything to bolster your credibility.

Tony wrote:
PS: The "meanings" review of the song I posted concludes: "But apparently everyone expects melodrama from her author-ex and Tracy accepts that its not about her, its about how this "author" needs to keep (a distorted) sad and sordid story in the public's eye."


That's great. But you should probably put a little more effort into understanding the situation before you try to subscribe lyrics to it. The lyrics are meaningless considering you don't even understand what's going on here.

I look forward to your vitriol-filled response. But it's unlikely that I'll have anything more to say about it. :-)

Have a good weekend and climb safe Tony.


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By Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Nov 17, 2012
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stiletto, Sharkstooth, Forbidden Tower, Petit Grepon, The Saber, The Foil, The Moon & The Jackknife.

Merlin wrote:
Does anyone else miss the good old days of MP (climbingboulder) www.mountainproject.com/v/mp-survivor-poll-results-thread/10>>> Olsen, D'antonio, Bell, ..... Even that guy Cagni Troll light, drama heavy


I do miss the "discussions" with Bob D and Ken C....errr, Zed.

Thankfully I've still got Tony to butt heads with occasionally.


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By Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Nov 17, 2012
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stiletto, Sharkstooth, Forbidden Tower, Petit Grepon, The Saber, The Foil, The Moon & The Jackknife.

DeGette files bill to require feds to respect marijuana law

In an effort to ensure new voter-approved amendments that legalize limited use of recreational marijuana in Colorado and Washington are not overrun by the federal government, Democratic U.S. Rep. Diana DeGette introduced bipartisan legislation Friday that aims to curtail such a scenario.

"My constituents have spoken, and I don't want the federal government denying money to Colorado or taking other punitive steps that would undermine the will of our citizens," DeGette, of Denver, said in a statement.


I don't think we see enough of this:
Republican U.S. Rep. Mike Coffman of Aurora, a staunch opponent of Amendment 64, supports the bill.

"I strongly oppose the legalization of marijuana, but I also have an obligation to respect the will of the voters given the passage of this initiative, and so I feel obligated to support this legislation," Coffman said.


Kudos to Representative Coffman.


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