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By Nick Zmyewski
From Newark, Delaware
Jan 4, 2013
the frozen topout during a winter ascent
So over the last few days I was climbing at the Gunks and my rope froze stiff in a few short section and then I used it to rappel. Does freezing your rope damage it much? And what about slings, how much would freezing them then using them cause them to weaken?

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By S Denny
From Prescott, AZ
Jan 4, 2013
no

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By Dow Williams
From Saint George, UT
Jan 5, 2013
Dow Williams, 2011
Some of us actually go ice climbing on the things...call us crazy.

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By Nick Zmyewski
From Newark, Delaware
Jan 5, 2013
the frozen topout during a winter ascent
Sorry. I should have mentioned that my rope isn't dry-treated. I know that people ice climb, but don't they generally use dry-treated rope? I could be totally wrong as I haven't had the chance to go ice climbing yet.

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By Dow Williams
From Saint George, UT
Jan 5, 2013
Dow Williams, 2011
They still freeze stiffer than a board on big routes....dry treatment just keeps them lighter for a longer period....

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By Nick Zmyewski
From Newark, Delaware
Jan 5, 2013
the frozen topout during a winter ascent
ok good to know. Thanks. I didn't want to be using it if freezing seriously weakened it.

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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Jan 5, 2013
El Chorro
I'm probably over thinking this but maybe someone smart can join me.

When you get frostbite they tell you not to massage your fingers because the flesh has crystallized and pressing the crystals can damage your tissue. If a rope is soaked and then it freezes, could rapping on it cause a little damage in the same way?

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By England
From ?
Jan 5, 2013
Alpine toothpick.
Ryan Williams wrote:
I'm probably over thinking this but maybe someone smart can join me. When you get frostbite they tell you not to massage your fingers because the flesh has crystallized and pressing the crystals can damage your tissue. If a rope is soaked and then it freezes, could rapping on it cause a little damage in the same way?

I',m thinking yes. I only get a few seasons out of my ice climbing rope. Also, the frozen rope wrecks havoc on my ATC, and lockers I use for rappin.

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By Dow Williams
From Saint George, UT
Jan 5, 2013
Dow Williams, 2011
actually everything we do with our ropes causes wear and tear...they are not meant to last forever despite the typical REI customer's perception of gear longevity....the sheath is there to protect the core....freezing your rope on a rock climb here and there will not affect it as much as falls, dirt/sand and hang dogging it. You are feeling the core of a rope to tell you when it is time to retire, not the sheath. If you climb multi pitch much, a core shot, more than likly from falling rock will be its undoing if you are not falling on it much. Many times a sheath looks god awful, but the core is in good shape. If you take hard leader falls, it is important to keep track of them. Getting ropes wet and frozen, not such a big deal. Some folks are a bit cautious and have cash burning holes through their pockets and retire their ropes way early compared to us veterans.

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By RockinOut
From NY, NY
Jan 5, 2013
Gear
Ryan Williams wrote:
When you get frostbite they tell you not to massage your fingers because the flesh has crystallized and pressing the crystals can damage your tissue. If a rope is soaked and then it freezes, could rapping on it cause a little damage in the same way?


The reason they say that is because your cells are what actually freezes, so if you rub the frozen cells they`ll get damaged. Its not like your thinking with a rope. That`d be more like putting ground glass into your rope then rubbing. I don't think it`ll be the same with ice on the rope bc the internal structure of the fibers themselves arent freezing.

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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Jan 5, 2013
Middle
Ryan Williams wrote:
I'm probably over thinking this but maybe someone smart can join me. When you get frostbite they tell you not to massage your fingers because the flesh has crystallized and pressing the crystals can damage your tissue. If a rope is soaked and then it freezes, could rapping on it cause a little damage in the same way?


I massage my rope frequently.

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By Gunkiemike
Jan 5, 2013
Ryan Williams wrote:
I'm probably over thinking this but maybe someone smart can join me. When you get frostbite they tell you not to massage your fingers because the flesh has crystallized and pressing the crystals can damage your tissue. If a rope is soaked and then it freezes, could rapping on it cause a little damage in the same way?


Your rope doesn't have cell membranes to rupture.

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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Jan 5, 2013
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Pea...
Gunkiemike wrote:
Your rope doesn't have cell membranes to rupture.


My brain is about to rupture.

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