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By TuRETZ
From Denver, co
Jun 7, 2012
FLIGHT!
Still expensive, better than 80 a pop. Hop on it!

Fixe Aliens 64 bucks

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By 20 kN
Administrator
From Hawaii
Jun 11, 2012
TuRETZ wrote:
Still expensive, better than 80 a pop. Hop on it! Fixe Aliens 64 bucks

And yet they are still more expensive than the Totem Aliens. Considering they are the same product, I see absolutely no reason to buy the Fixe ones simply because they say Fixe instead of Tolem on them.

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By TuRETZ
From Denver, co
Jun 11, 2012
FLIGHT!
20 kN wrote:
And yet they are still more expensive than the Tolem Aliens. Considering they are the same product, I see absolutely no reason to buy the Fixe ones simply because they say Fixe instead of Tolem on them.


My apologies 20kn, I didn't realize this would offend your precious heart. I'll be sure to consider your feelings before I post again. ;)

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By Aric Datesman
Jun 11, 2012
Hey now... No picking on 20kN. He clearly knows what he's talking about, as he been to El Cap and was asked to be ptpp's porter/belay slave. If that doesn't make him an expert, I don't know what would.

And yup, no difference between them, 20kn/usnavy. Other than the half dozen differences between them, including sizing and how the trigger wires are done. Will you ever learn to keep your mouth shut about things you don't know about?

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By 20 kN
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From Hawaii
Jun 11, 2012
Aric Datesman wrote:
Hey now... No picking on 20kN. He clearly knows what he's talking about, as he been to El Cap and was asked to be ptpp's porter/belay slave. If that doesn't make him an expert, I don't know what would. And yup, no difference between them, 20kn/usnavy. Other than the half dozen differences between them, including sizing and how the trigger wires are done. Will you ever learn to keep your mouth shut about things you don't know about?

You forgot about Astroman. I climbed that one other day. I also climbed two grade IV lines in one day. But that's all easy cake, your record is the one really worth commenting on. So speaking of hard sending, please tell me about that 5.6 trad line you fell and broke your leg on. I love that story. You constantly hag me about how I am such a liability - an accident waiting to happen. Yet I go and climb C3 on El Cap, 5.11 crack climbs in the Valley, and 5.10 R/X elsewhere, all without incident. Yet you break your leg on some 4th class slab at a crag. Priceless. Clearly I am the one that doesent have any business using this gear. Right.

As far as the Aliens go, they are the same. The size differences between the two are so marginally small, its not even worth mentioning. The red Basic has a range of 19.9-31.6mm. The red Alien has a range of 20-33mm. Ya, huge difference there, I am glad you pointed that out. The next time I am sitting on a fully tipped out red Basic I will think of you and wish I had the Alien and its 1.5mm of extra range. Good call, you sure showed me. As far as the trigger designs go, again, its not worth mentioning. See unlike you Aric, I actually use these devices to climb on, I dont just surf Google looking up the specifications. And after carrying up a rack of the Fixe Aliens and the Tolems up El Cap and Washington Column, I can say the differences are not great enough to warrant the need to spend extra cash on a virtually identical design.

Dont pussy out on this forum like you did on rc.com, Aric. I dont know what I would do for entertainment without you.

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By Climb Apps
Jun 11, 2012
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20 kN wrote:
You forgot about Astroman. I climbed that one other day. I also climbed two grade IV lines in one day. But that's all easy cake, your record is the one really worth commenting on. So speaking of hard sending, please tell me about that 5.6 trad line you fell and broke your leg on. I love that story. You constantly hag me about how I am such a liability - an accident waiting to happen. Yet I go and climb C3 on El Cap, 5.11 crack climbs in the Valley, and 5.10 R/X elsewhere, all without incident. Yet you break your leg on some 4th class slab at a crag. Priceless. Clearly I am the one that doesent have any business using this gear. Right. As far as the Aliens go, they are the same. The size differences between the two are so marginally small, its not even worth mentioning. The red Basic has a range of 19.9-31.6mm. The red Alien has a range of 20-33mm. Ya, huge difference there, I am glad you pointed that out. The next time I am sitting on a fully tipped out red Basic I will think of you and wish I had the Alien and its 1.5mm of extra range. Good call, you sure showed me. As far as the trigger designs go, again, its not worth mentioning. See unlike you Aric, I actually use these devices to climb on, I dont just surf Google looking up the specifications. And after carrying up a rack of the Fixe Aliens and the Tolems up El Cap and Washington Column, I can say the differences are not great enough to warrant the need to spend extra cash on a virtually identical design. Dont pussy out on this forum like you did on rc.com, Aric. I dont know what I would do for entertainment without you.


Hrrrm, well, errr, fair enough, still not very nice; been climbing a long time meself and weird shiz can happen to anyone--not that I know the particulars with Aric, but kinda like the time I grabbed fur in the middle // technically end of the runout on Scimitar at Lover's Leap; bat flew out in my face, lucky to catch myself Dan Osman (bears reach speed solo) style, would have been a nasty one and probably life flight/high angle rescue.

Along similar lines, still wonder if the rock was wet or what when Hersey fell, etc and so on, watched the helicopter fly him out from Falls Trail (wondering who), that one is still seared into my memory---more recently; the fatal accident at the gunks//still trying to parse that anchor failure it seems-0--etc and so on; stay safe out there a la Hill Street Blues.

Personally, put the extra few bucks for a green on mgear because I like Kevin Daniels-general all around bad mofo(jmo); fixe does good stuff with ARI (again,jmo) and 4 bucks is like a gallon of gas-a pittance for most California "crag drives"; just my .013 cents worth; stagflation and all...

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By Aric Datesman
Jun 11, 2012
Hmmm... Got anything other than spray, Sayar? Because spray doesn't change the fact that you're clearly incorrect on them being identical. There's a nice post from the guy at Totem on one of the sites detailing the differences, but I'll let you find it.

And as I told you many times, yes, I shattered my ankle on a 5.6 when I slipped on a mantle and rolled the ankle to the point the ligaments pulled the bone into 6 pieces. I then self rescued, hiked out down a talus field and drive 2 hours without being able to use the clutch pedal. Fun story, but has nothing to do with the fact you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Which, if you recall, is my entire beef with you. You're entirely too eager to give authoritative answers about things you know nothing about. (my personal favorite was giving wall advice a full year before you actually tried one.) Knock that off and you won't hear a peep from me.

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By 20 kN
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From Hawaii
Jun 11, 2012
Aric Datesman wrote:
Hmmm... Got anything other than spray, Sayar? Because spray doesn't change the fact that you're clearly incorrect on them being identical. There's a nice post from the guy at Totem on one of the sites detailing the differences, but I'll let you find it. And as I told you many times, yes, I shattered my ankle on a 5.6 when I slipped on a mantle and rolled the ankle to the point the ligaments pulled the bone into 6 pieces. I then self rescued, hiked out down a talus field and drive 2 hours without being able to use the clutch pedal. Fun story, but has nothing to do with the fact you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Which, if you recall, is my entire beef with you. You're entirely too eager to give authoritative answers about things you know nothing about. (my personal favorite was giving wall advice a full year before you actually tried one.) Knock that off and you won't hear a peep from me.

Yes there are "some" differences between the Aliens. I never refuted that. However, once again, the differences are of no practicality, and they are especially not practical enough to warrant an extra $100 per half set of cams. You can blab on about the technical differences between the pieces, but at the end of the day, actual experience using them is king. I have repeadly placed them in the world renowned Valley pin scars and flairs, a thousand feet off the deck and guess what, they all work the same. The Fixe cams were no better or worse than the Basics in any placement, including very marginal placements where only a few tipped out lobed were holding me. Sure, one brand may have 4% greater range; the other brand may be 5% lighter; another may have a stronger strength rating (due to how they are tested); but guess what, at the end of the day it doesn't matter. Using the Aliens over the Basics or vice versa will not make you climb harder, it wont get you to the summit faster, it wont do shit except dictate how light your wallet is. And I am familiar with the Aliens, I saw the Aliens right off the line, batch 002, at the actual Fixe Faders plant in Spain. I got my hands on them before they even hit the US market. I am also familiar with Fixe USA, aka Kevin Daniels; we have ordered countless product from him. The reason why the Aliens are so expensive is because Fixe USA has a large markup on their product. Thats it. So you can go ahead and buy your overpriced Aliens, but I will bet you my left nut that you wont climb any better compared to how you would have climbed with the Basics.

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By Aric Datesman
Jun 12, 2012
Guess you didn't notice the design flaw in the original Aliens that Fixe continued (and Totem fixed) that causes the lobes to not move properly in flaring placements? That's the first thing I looked at when I played with them, and yup, the problem is still there. It's not in the Totem though.

But what do I know... It's not like I've played with and dissected pretty much every type of cam out there or anything.

Btw, this:
20 kN wrote:
Yes there are "some" differences between the Aliens. I never refuted that.


Is contradicted by this:
20 kN wrote:
And yet they are still more expensive than the Totem Aliens. Considering they are the same product, I see absolutely no reason to buy the Fixe ones simply because they say Fixe instead of Tolem on them.

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By mugsy
Jun 12, 2012
Aric Datesman wrote:
Guess you didn't notice the design flaw in the original Aliens that Fixe continued (and Totem fixed) that causes the lobes to not move properly in flaring placements? That's the first thing I looked at when I played with them, and yup, the problem is still there. It's not in the Totem though. But what do I know... It's not like I've played with and dissected pretty much every type of cam out there or anything. Btw, this: Is contradicted by this:


What is the problem you are referring to Aric?

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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Jun 12, 2012
El Chorro
Maybe you guys should take this over to RC. This is just the type of discussion I am looking for when I go over there (usually when I am bored and need something to laugh at).

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By Dave Alie
From Golden, CO
Jun 12, 2012
Photo Credit: The talented Pete Garceau
Ryan Williams wrote:
Maybe you guys should take this over to RC.

+1

There's actually some kernels of good information about competing cams in here somewhere that I'd like to hear and learn from. I love the internet for those discussions. I hate the internet for the rest of what this thread has become. Personal bickering can be done via email.

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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Jun 12, 2012
tanuki
PLEASE take this to RC.com. It is the perfect place for the two of you to cock-punch each other to your hearts' content.

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By Ty Morrison-Heath
From Bozeman, MT
Jun 12, 2012
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Agreed. Go wave your dicks at each other elsewhere.

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By Aric Datesman
Jun 12, 2012
Sorry, I don't do RC anymore. Still pissed at DDT. As for the dickwaving, I'm merely pointing out Sayar's contention that they are identical is demonstrably false. If you have a problem with that I suggest you simply move along or go find the post by Mikel@Totem enumerating the differences and repost it here.

As for the problem, it's not a new one and effects most generations of original Aliens as well. When the's a difference between how much the two pairs of loves are retracted (read: flare) the trigger wires can jam on one another below the top plate of the trigger and prevent proper lobe rotation. Totem looks to have addressed this in their redesign and is a welcome improvement since it's a problem you'll never see since the placement will look good but actually only have 2 lobes working properly.

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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Jun 12, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Pea...
NC Rock Climber wrote:
PLEASE take this to RC.com. It is the perfect place for the two of you to cock-punch each other to your hearts' content.


HA ha ha! Oh, man. The phrase "cock-punch" and "rc.com" just go together like gravy and rice. Who is DDT, Arik?

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By Aric Datesman
Jun 12, 2012
Stich wrote:
HA ha ha! Oh, man. The phrase "cock-punch" and "rc.com" just go together like gravy and rice. Who is DDT, Arik?


That it does. And from what I've heard, the place has continued its downward slide since I left. A shame, as J_ung had it headed for good things before NameMedia (the current owner) pulled the plug on him and turned the reigns over to DDT (the previous owner) who's running things pro bono to keep them from shuttering the site and it falling off the web. Last I heard they want $2 million for the site, which is laughable. Anyway, I attribute the current state of RC to ddt's indifference to it. It's just a job to him and he doesn't care or participate (that being a paraphrase of an email from him to me before he threw me under the bus). rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum...

Anyway, ancient history and long answer to a short question.

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By Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Jun 12, 2012
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stile...
Stich wrote:
Who is DDT, Arik?


Duh..


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By Aric Datesman
Jun 12, 2012
Dave Alie wrote:
+1 There's actually some kernels of good information about competing cams in here somewhere that I'd like to hear and learn from. I love the internet for those discussions. I hate the internet for the rest of what this thread has become. Personal bickering can be done via email.


Gave this a half day to settle out and not to poke at you in particular, but the only kernels of information in this thread came from me and were labeled as dickwaving. But if you'd rather listen to an overenthusiastic n00b who thinks because he climbs hard he knows what he's talking about I guess that's your business. I'm going to continue calling Sayar out on his shit whereever I find it, as 6 months of random emails and FB messages about climbing my mother kinda brings out the OCD in me.

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By Top Rope Hero
From Was Estes Park, now homeless
Jun 12, 2012
WHAT THE HELL IS HE BELAYING WITH!?!
Guideline #1: don't be a je...

Oh, never mind.

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By Aric Datesman
Jun 12, 2012
Sorry if the question came off as violating Rule #1, but I'm honestly curious if pointing out others are full of shit is off limits here. I'm generally nicer about it with other people, but Sayar has a *long* history of simply making shit up as he goes (and I'm talking long before he latched onto rock climbing.... Google is your friend if you want the details and don't mind being branded a creepy stalker) and I'm quite tired of it. If that makes me a jerk, well, I guess I'm ok with that. Better safe than listening to whatever he's making up at the moment to sound smart to others who don't know better.

Crap. Did I slip into curmeodgeonhood without noticing???

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