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By Jason Himick
From Boulder, CO
Oct 8, 2012
Future Goal
Rock-paper-scissors is a hand game played by two people. The game is also known as roshambo, or by other orderings of the three items (with "stone" sometimes substituting for "rock"). The game is often used as a choosing method in a way similar to coin flipping, drawing straws, or throwing dice. Unlike truly random selection methods, however, rock-paper-scissors can be played with a degree of skill by recognizing and exploiting non-random behavior in opponents.

Carry on.

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By Trask
From colorado springs, co
Oct 8, 2012
Gettin in the mood on Left Torpedo tube
Ah...... I see we have a Fear factor ref.......nice man

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By thechoad
Oct 8, 2012
and when your done go sing me a song at the beanery

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By Kevin Craig
Oct 8, 2012
KC on Fields (medium).  Photo (c) Doug Shepherd
matt davies wrote:
Kevin, Kudos for coming out and taking responsibility for the note, usually note-leavers are pussies content to be anonymous. Kudos for using your real name in the forums. Everyone has bad days and has done regrettable things out of frustration, and no one should be judged by their worst day. I take 2 lessons learned from this : 1- It's almost ice climbing season in Canada 2- It's almost always a bad idea to leave threatening notes on cars, unless you're threatening Tits to get his ass in gear and get an early start for once.


Thanks for your acknowledgments and charity. I will keep #2 in mind for sure.

The funny thing is, the only other time I recall something like this happening to me (in more than a dozen years of ice climbing) was IN Canada! It's gotten a lot more crowded in the last 5 years too. Especially when avy conditions are high and The Ghost is snowed in.

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By Daniel Battin
From Green Mtn. Falls, CO
Oct 8, 2012
On Bridelveil
Kevin, So the answer to my question is what? He who wakes up first gets the climb? First in line at the gate gets the climb? First to the parking lot gets the climb? He who checks with others first gets the climb?
Look I passed some guys on the traverse. Those guys (in my mind) are the only people who had legitimate claim to being first on the route. We handled it like ďgentlemenĒ admittedly fifth grade gentlemen (ro-sham-bo). Who are we kidding? We all knew what we were there to climb. I didnít need to check with anyone.
Yea, I had a plan. Iíve been skunked on that route three times in the last month. This gives me no more claim to it than anyone else, it just educates me as to what I need to do to get on it. I had my rack ready specifically for this route weeks in advance. I knew what I needed to bring to climb it fast and light. I knew that if Trask and I were able to get on it first we would be up and out very fast. We linked the first two pitches into one and were on the route for less than an hour.
Iím all about sharing routes. I.E. not spending too much time on a route. Letting faster parties pass. Maybe climbing something other than my first choice until my first choice is available. And understanding that I donít always get to accomplish the goals I might have set out for the day.
Today you got beaten. Albeit beaten by a person who was single minded and not in his usual mood for exchanging pleasantries with his fellow members of the climbing community. (A long way of saying I was in a hurry)
Tomorrow Iíll get beaten, but Iíll never threaten someone, or accuse them of being ďselfish inconsiderate bastardsĒ. Yea, I wonít even leave a note saying anything.
Kevin, I accept your apology. I hope your next day out climbing is a better one and you donít feel the need to write any notes.

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By CJC
Oct 8, 2012
Vincent Vega wrote:
What's more chicken shit than fucking with another man's automobile? You don't fuck with another man's vehicle. You just don't do it.

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By thechoad
Oct 8, 2012
trask . . . we're not here to throw the ball around. dont you know who i am? i play for k state.

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By Kevin Craig
Oct 8, 2012
KC on Fields (medium).  Photo (c) Doug Shepherd
OZONE wrote:
Kevin, So the answer to my question is what? He who wakes up first gets the climb? First in line at the gate gets the climb? First to the parking lot gets the climb? He who checks with others first gets the climb? Look I passed some guys on the traverse. Those guys (in my mind) are the only people who had legitimate claim to being first on the route. We handled it like ďgentlemenĒ admittedly fifth grade gentlemen (ro-sham-bo). Who are we kidding? We all knew what we were there to climb. I didnít need to check with anyone. Yea, I had a plan. Iíve been skunked on that route three times in the last month. This gives me no more claim to it than anyone else, it just educates me as to what I need to do to get on it. I had my rack ready specifically for this route weeks in advance. I knew what I needed to bring to climb it fast and light. I knew that if Trask and I were able to get on it first we would be up and out very fast. We linked the first two pitches into one and were on the route for less than an hour. Iím all about sharing routes. I.E. not spending too much time on a route. Letting faster parties pass. Maybe climbing something other than my first choice until my first choice is available. And understanding that I donít always get to accomplish the goals I might have set out for the day. Today you got beaten. Albeit beaten by a person who was single minded and not in his usual mood for exchanging pleasantries with his fellow members of the climbing community. (A long way of saying I was in a hurry) Tomorrow Iíll get beaten, but Iíll never threaten to slash someoneís tires, or accuse them of being ďselfish inconsiderate bastardsĒ. Yea, I wonít even leave a note saying anything. Kevin, I accept your apology. I hope your next day out climbing is a better one and you donít feel the need to write any notes.


OK, my mistake about whose pseudonym was who on here. Apologies for that. Trask and I seem to have it sorted out. I'm fine with leaving it there with him. I apologize for the note; I don't apologize for my opinion on the matter in general or acknowledge your (Ozone's) version as being the whole story however. We, you and I anyway, may have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

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By Kevin Craig
Oct 8, 2012
KC on Fields (medium).  Photo (c) Doug Shepherd
CJC wrote:

Gotta love a Pulp Fiction quote. And do I have to reiterate, I didn't?

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By Trask
From colorado springs, co
Oct 8, 2012
Gettin in the mood on Left Torpedo tube
HOLY SHIT!!!! ( THECHOAD ) who are you man!!?? I remember that night very well which is impressive considering we were all pretty drunk.........wow.....what a blast from the past

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By Daniel Battin
From Green Mtn. Falls, CO
Oct 8, 2012
On Bridelveil
Kevin Craig wrote:
I don't apologize for my opinion on the matter in general or acknowledge your (Ozone's) version as being the whole story however.

Kevin, are you really saying that's not how it went down? Or am I misunderstanding?
And can you please tell me what gives you the right to stake claim to this route because you got to the parking lot first. Please enlighten me.
No one is asking you to apologize for your opinion. I just want to know why you felt (feel) like you were wronged.

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By matt davies
Oct 8, 2012
Kevin Craig wrote:
It's gotten a lot more crowded in the last 5 years too. Especially when avy conditions are high and The Ghost is snowed in.

No doubt! I expect this year will be epic-ly bad, no snowpack and tons of new climbers. I hope I'm wrong, but I think as a community (at least in front range CO), it's time to accept that ice climbing is no longer an obscure sport.
The good news is, there are a ton of undiscovered lines in the interior Rockies, only a 10 hr. approach away;)

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By George Barnes
From Westminster, CO
Oct 8, 2012
Jones Pk
Hilarious. C'mon man.

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By Daniel Battin
From Green Mtn. Falls, CO
Oct 9, 2012
On Bridelveil
Fuck it Dude. Lets go bowl.

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By Jon Miller on the WS
Oct 9, 2012
To quote the late, great Jack: "Are you here to climb, or hang out at the Holiday Inn?" Get up, get ready, get a move on. Even if you don't get your route, you can always take the tools for a walk. That is more than most people can say about their day. Me too on most days unfortunatly.

BTW - globs of ice forming on Ingram and Bridalveil. Gets the blood flowing, even if we are still WAY out.

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By Kevin Craig
Oct 9, 2012
KC on Fields (medium).  Photo (c) Doug Shepherd
Daniel Battin wrote:
Kevin, are you really saying that's not how it went down? Or am I misunderstanding? And can you please tell me what gives you the right to stake claim to this route because you got to the parking lot first. Please enlighten me. No one is asking you to apologize for your opinion. I just want to know why you felt (feel) like you were wronged.


Dan, PM sent.

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By Daniel Battin
From Green Mtn. Falls, CO
Oct 9, 2012
On Bridelveil
squashed

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By brat
Oct 9, 2012
Celebrating on Intersection Rock, JTree.
This conversation is fully entertaining.

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By Jim Amidon
Oct 9, 2012
J TREE
The only other "thing" I've had to try and get out of the way to the base of a route in Cody is the Sheep.......

A big ass Ram giving you that sideways look.......

HMMM is he gonna charge me ?????

Guess maybe I'll walk a little this way for a bit and see where he goes.....

As my good buddy and long time ice climbing partner Bryon said years ago

"there is no good ice climbing on the front range"

Compared to Cody the front range is well except for the occasional mega classic's that form up not worth the effort.

Wake up butt early, get to a trail head, know there will be other people about.

Last year I took a friend from work out for his first time, thought I'd take him up to Jewel Lake in RMNP......

Nice little hike, nice little chunk of ice for his first time out.

We get beat to the base, and we were out early, by two nice older gentlemen.

Were both getting our gear together, I'm racking up a couple of screws and TR anchor stuff.......

Out of the corner of my eye I'm wondering, "what is this guy doing putting a rope on his back"

Then it hit me, oh yea this is the Front Range where any gumby can call himself an ice climber by walking around a slab of easy angled ice and setting up a TR.

Then proceed to bash the shit out of the ice with repeated yells of "ice".

These two "Tools" on their mighty slog up and around the climb for one or another reason drops one of his brand new tools in the early season light snow at the top of the route.

When we left he was still looking for it......

Front Range Ice, I almost always just wait and drive to Cody for no lines and miles of blue ecstasy......

Just us and the sheep.........

With the crowds and the attitude of so many Front Range climbers I just don't bother much anymore around these parts...

I know most are saying great one less person out there, but have you looked at Hidden Falls mid season ???

It looks like it was placed on a firing range for .50 cal practice.....

It's not even ice climbing all the holes, and hooks.......

UGHHHH......

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By ChristopherAust
From Ohio
Oct 9, 2012
omg
CJC wrote:
was he entering you in a raffle or something?

I loled

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By Jon Zucco
From Denver, CO
Oct 9, 2012
yaak crack Red Rock Canyon, NV
Trask?!?.. hahaha, nice. What's up dude? I don't get this dispute; to the winner go the spoils.

Besides, it's pretty much ice climbing season in Canada, so we should really just drop it.

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By JohnnyG
Oct 9, 2012
Wow, tough crowd. I think it's a little weird to park next to somebody, then sprint out of the gate to try to beat them to a climb. Did you guys talk in the parking lot at all?

So, honestly, I don't think Dan is entirely in the right.

Yeah, I've sprinted past people and been snaked at the last minute. It never makes me feel all that good, in either situation.

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By RockyMtnTed
Oct 9, 2012
JohnnyG wrote:
Wow, tough crowd. I think it's a little weird to park next to somebody, then sprint out of the gate to try to beat them to a climb. Did you guys talk in the parking lot at all? So, honestly, I don't think Dan is entirely in the right. Yeah, I've sprinted past people and been snaked at the last minute. It never makes me feel all that good, in either situation.


agreed. You obviously knew what they were there to climb. So racking up in your car and running ahead of them on the trail is a little lame in my opinion. As johnny said I wouldnt feel good on either side of that situation.

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By Peter Pitocchi
Oct 9, 2012
Pete belays 2nd pitch Little corner
I always go by first to flake your rope gets to go first. Gray area for sure.

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By Brian in SLC
Oct 9, 2012
Climbing in Smuggler's Notch
Stich wrote:
So this is a no go?


Sweet flavor saver, brah!

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