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By The Watchdog
Oct 5, 2012
Should people be able to make money filming on public lands?


mountainnewsdesk.com/index.php...

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Oct 5, 2012
Bocan
I personally don't have a problem with it, especially as I think it drives more people to utilize those particular lands.

Make it simple. If you choose to film, then a certain percentage of profits or a upfront fee are required. The park's service would benefit.

I'd love to see that movie, it looks awesome.

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By Jeff Fiedler
Oct 5, 2012
That does seem like a pretty stupid rule.

But your anti-fed, "these are OUR lands" argument is pretty silly too.

They are not INDIVIDUALLY our lands, for each individual to do what they want on.

They are community lands, which means some rules are going to be in place.

So, OK, pretty stupid sounding rule. But why resort to childish rhetoric. I mean, unless that's your thing.

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Oct 5, 2012
Bocan
Jeff Fiedler wrote:
That does seem like a pretty stupid rule. But your anti-fed, "these are OUR lands" argument is pretty silly too. They are not INDIVIDUALLY our lands, for each individual to do what they want on. They are community lands, which means some rules are going to be in place. So, OK, pretty stupid sounding rule. But why resort to childish rhetoric. I mean, unless that's your thing.


Case in point...

unofficialnetworks.com/shit-al...

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By The Watchdog
Oct 8, 2012
I guess you did not get it.

The article is nothing but a few catch phrases to mock how different political factions would react to it...

Loving our lands to death
Think of all the jobs it will create.

I seem to remember another group who chants everything is "ours".


Jeff F, quit hating on Occupy Wall Street, they are the ones that claim everything is "ours".
Next, read the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution and report back...

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By Nick Stayner
From Billings, MT
Oct 8, 2012
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.
I don't understand... what's the difference between Davenport's movie and virtually any other climbing or skiing film made EVER? Is it a Colorado thing?

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By CJC
Oct 8, 2012
its likely his crew didn't pull the necessary permits to film commercially on federal lands so now he doesn't get to sell his movie

it's not really that complicated...these permits are required to protect public resources and user experience

people make money doing this regularly, they just follow correct protocol

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By The Watchdog
Oct 8, 2012
Thank you CJC for the "rest of the story".




Exit question. If states had more control over their public lands, rather than layer upon layer of Government Bureaucracy control in far-off DC, would Davenport have more luck petitioning his case in Denver?
Where it is not that difficult to get a meeting with Hickenlooper.



State level bureaucrats are more accessible than their counterparts in DC and CO public servants would be more understanding of what is good for our state.

This movie could drive tourism for the state and would be good for our state's image.



Did Davenport's movie-making somehow interferer with someone's wilderness experience?

Would the interference been lessened by a government permit?





Should the outdoor community rally around state rights to gain more local control of their public lands?

Or stick with the central-planners model?

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By CJC
Oct 8, 2012
so many leading questions, so little time

you might wish for states to control more of their own federally-managed lands but

1. it's never going to happen
2. it wouldn't be a good idea anyway

there are good reasons for having stewardship of public lands handled by the federal government but I'm not about to spend time trying to explain them to someone with such an obvious anti-fed philosophy as yourself

anyway the laws of the land are clear regarding commercial filming on federal lands so until those laws are changed anyone hoping to film for profit there would be smart to jump through the hoops

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By Jeff Fiedler
Oct 8, 2012
Watchdog -- I'll play.

For arguments sake, lets assume 10th Amendment put federal lands under control of States. That still doesn't mean that individuals get to do what they want without restrictions. Just different entities making the rules.

Not sure what your occupy wall street comment is about. I assume OWS wants less influence by resource extraction companies?

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By The Watchdog
Oct 8, 2012
Many liberals knee-jerk hate on the state rights thing because it takes away the ability to ram liberalism down everyone's throats.




I stand with Thomas Jefferson as an anti-federalist.

I stand with the Bill of Rights which limits the fed's power with a balance of state power.


Change we need. Not a liberal utopia, but time to restore the law written in the Constitution.


tenthamendmentcenter.com/

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By CJC
Oct 8, 2012
The Watchdog wrote:
Many liberals knee-jerk hate on the state rights thing because it takes away the ability to ram liberalism down everyone's throats.


lol

not worth having a discussion with

good luck Tommy J you'll need it this ain't the 1700s

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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Oct 8, 2012
Stoked...
This is kinda funny actually. . . Chris is a big boy... if not maybe he can ask Warren or their crew to handle it. What a joke... he can suck it up deal...

If I got to ski for a living im pretty sure I wouldn't be bitching about not following the rules and not being able to make money from breaking the rules.

BOOO FU*KING HOOO

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By Evan S
From Erie, CO
Oct 8, 2012
Me, of course
Um... there are hundreds if not thousands of ski movies filmed all over public lands that have been sold for profit for a long time... matchstick, poor boy productions, etc... did they all have permits? I doubt it.

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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Oct 8, 2012
Stoked...
This difference from the other forum is that it is Wilderness Land and not just public land... and they applied for a heli permit after the fact:

Actually the issue wasn't about NF land it was wilderness land. You need a permit to shoot video/film in wilderness land. This was incorporated into the wilderness act. I believe that photos are ok. The forest service didn't like the use of a helicopter for filming the ski of Castle's East Face. They applied for the permit after the shooting was done and were rejected.

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By The Watchdog
Oct 8, 2012
What if the movie is shown in exchange for gifts?


I would give an old backpack, a gift cert or small piece of silver to watch that movie.


Would Free Market Capitalism straight from the bottle get Mr. Davenport onto the silver screen?


Real capitalism is scary - trade and barter oh my!

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By Nick Stayner
From Billings, MT
Oct 8, 2012
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.
Watchdog- you realize this isn't Supertopo, right? You might want to take your weak attempt to stir things up over there.

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By The Watchdog
Oct 10, 2012

State rights are important to you because the state is the only entity that can protect you from Federal overreach.


Obamacare = zero state rights. You do as the central planners tell you.



How did liberals react when Arizona asserted its state's right to enforce current federal immigration law?


Liberals hate freedom when it is not liberalism. Liberalism only works if you have total control. Do the math, it is not hard to see...


Liberalism has failed (run its course, I should say) and the free market has been crumpled into an over-regulated, over taxed, government-restricted version of what a free market could and should be.


Time for a new path...the cynicism and modern dogma are old.

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By Lars Torkelson
From Philly, PA
Oct 10, 2012
The Watchdog wrote:
Time for a new path...the cynicism and modern dogma are old.


...says the guy who made an account solely to promote far right dogma

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By Taylor-B.
From CO & AK
Oct 11, 2012
Mountain Bandito
Chris should just sell his Audi or Toyota Tundra to pay for the permits.

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By Nick Stayner
From Billings, MT
Oct 11, 2012
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.
Hah! This shitpile of a thread was destined for obscurity after two days with no interest but lo and behold.... its humble creator the Watchdog took it upon himself to relight the torch of freedom!

Negative style points for resurrecting your own lame-ass thread.

Funny comments by both of you guys above by the way.

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By Jeremy Hand
Oct 11, 2012
slopey
Taxing followed by redistribution makes movie producers of us all!

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Oct 11, 2012
Bocan
Nick Stayner wrote:
Hah! This shitpile of a thread was destined for obscurity after two days with no interest but lo and behold.... its humble creator the Watchdog took it upon himself to relight the torch of freedom! Negative style points for resurrecting your own lame-ass thread. Funny comments by both of you guys above by the way.


Actually I had no idea the movie existed and am very interested. Politics aside, what backcountry skier wouldn't want to watch Chris ski CO's 14ers.

Hope he finds a way to release or at least show it.

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By Nick Stayner
From Billings, MT
Oct 11, 2012
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.
Scott McMahon wrote:
Politics aside, what backcountry skier wouldn't want to watch Chris ski CO's 14ers?

This one.

And I don't think the specific issue of Chris and his lack of permits is "lame" or uninteresting. Watchdog took this issue and used it to attempt to troll a number of only tangentially related hot-button political topics. That's what I think is lame.

...and I'm probably lame too for bumping this thread not once, but twice now.

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By The Watchdog
Oct 11, 2012
The thing is, there too many issues that go unnoticed and do not get discussed in Colorado. Remember the 2010 elections in Colorado? We were electing a Governor yet, every candidate, news agency, and pundit just parroted the national debate.

The silence continues, no talk about the merger of CO Parks with CO Wildlife, I-70 corridor, dying forest, growing metro, constitutionality of day user fees, mismanagement of CO Parks, advertising in State Parks as bailout remedy, water storage and use, massive solar and wind projects on public land, the closing of 11 coal fired plants in CO (2013). And the Federalism v anti-federalism debate is 800lb gorilla in the room. (CO's liberal media who favor central planners won't touch it, so it is off most people's radar.)

I expected more from the climbing community, the only time there is any sort of intellectual rumbling around here is when the Mainstream Media tells you to get mad about something, and even then it is the predicable copy and paste of talking points. Want to bring change? We the people need to initiate the conversation, stop being the media's Pavlov's Dog.

Keep in mind, the two-party system works great for a method of organizing, but most of you use it as a prism to see the world. Bound by the shackles of partisan "either/or" there are few "free thinkers" left in the climbing community and self-appointed thought police have long chased them from the forums.

How can you really solve any problems if bureaucratic partisan solutions is all you are capable of? Problem solving is non linear and should not be restricted by advancing your team's power. Surprising once you allow yourself to become a free thinker and do not allow yourself to play the partisan games, the problems America face do not seem so daunting.

While most of you swing from nut sack to nut sack of politicians that promise the world, I will quietly go about my business speaking truth to power. If Romney gets elected I will bring the same fight to his administration.

If you want News that will not waiver from protecting your rights and your state's rights,

I will be doing my thing at mountainnewsdesk.com




God Bless America and thank you for your support.

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Oct 11, 2012
Bocan
The Watchdog wrote:
The thing is, there too many issues that go unnoticed and do not get discussed in Colorado. Remember the 2010 elections in Colorado? We were electing a Governor yet, every candidate, news agency, and pundit just parroted the national debate. The silence continues, no talk about the merger of CO Parks with CO Wildlife, I-70 corridor, dying forest, growing metro, constitutionality of day user fees, mismanagement of CO Parks, advertising in State Parks as bailout remedy, water storage and use, massive solar and wind projects on public land, the closing of 11 coal fired plants in CO (2013). And the Federalism v anti-federalism debate is 800lb gorilla in the room. (CO's liberal media who favor central planners won't touch it, so it is off most people's radar.) I expected more from the climbing community, the only time there is any sort of intellectual rumbling around here is when the Mainstream Media tells you to get mad about something, and even then it is the predicable copy and paste of talking points. Want to bring change? We the people need to initiate the conversation, stop being the media's Pavlov's Dog. Keep in mind, the two-party system works great for a method of organizing, but most of you use it as a prism to see the world. Bound by the shackles of partisan "either/or" there are few "free thinkers" left in the climbing community and self-appointed thought police have long chased them from the forums. How can you really solve any problems if bureaucratic partisan solutions is all you are capable of? Problem solving is non linear and should not be restricted by advancing your team's power. Surprising once you allow yourself to become a free thinker and do not allow yourself to play the partisan games, the problems America face do not seem so daunting. While most of you swing from nut sack to nut sack of politicians that promise the world, I will quietly go about my business speaking truth to power. If Romney gets elected I will bring the same fight to his administration. If you want News that will not waiver from protecting your rights and your state's rights, I will be doing my thing at mountainnewsdesk.com God Bless America and thank you for your support.


Sooo...are you like...even a climber???

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