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Feb 18, 2012
What lightweight rain-shell do you take into the mountains for afternoon thunderstorms?

I would like to only buy one, but not sure if I should spend a bunch on a gore paclite/event or go cheap with a precip.

I also have a little bit of Patagonia credit that I can put towards it, so I was looking at the expensive but nice looking [url="patagonia.com/us/product/patag...
GhaMby
From Heaven
Joined Oct 2, 2006
427 points
Feb 18, 2012
Rab Nimbus Wind Top
Windproof and water resistance that weights in at 220g(8oz). It will only cost you $80 MSRP. It's basically a "beefed up" wind shirt and is going to be my next purchase.
Charles Savel
From Frederick, MD
Joined Apr 27, 2011
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Feb 18, 2012
that patagonia jacket it sweet. the only feature i look for in a rain shell for climbing is that it packs into it's own pocket and has a fairly burley clip in loop. it's going to spend most of it's time on your harness afterall. S Denny
From Aspen, CO
Joined Sep 25, 2008
24 points
Feb 18, 2012
also, I am usually just bringing a DWR treated windshirt as mentioned above. unless I really think it's gonna rain... which is rare. S Denny
From Aspen, CO
Joined Sep 25, 2008
24 points
Feb 18, 2012
My buddy Andy and I making the best of the day aft...
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Simple and waterproof.
The small is only 5oz
Jeremy Bauman
From Lakewood, CO
Joined Feb 11, 2009
734 points
Feb 18, 2012
Imaginate
I took this as my only rain jacket for 3 months backpacking in Europe. It worked great in the rain. Used it as my only rain jacket in Chile and Argentina for a couple of weeks too. Now I leave it always clipped to my harness for afternoon rain showers. I can't imagine spending $150 on a rain jacket when this one is $20.

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David Appelhans
From Medford, MA
Joined Nov 11, 2007
350 points
Feb 18, 2012
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North Face Verto. Extremely light, has hood, packs into it's own pocket with loop to clip to harness. Sticker is $120. Greg Speer
From Fort Collins, CO
Joined Aug 5, 2007
66 points
Feb 18, 2012
Tour Ronde North Face
Marmot Precip.

Inexpensive and light.
Kai Larson
From Sandy, Utah
Joined Jan 6, 2006
260 points
Feb 18, 2012
Mt. Baker
The Marmot Precip is a nice garment that is lightweight...and I just happen to have a good-looking one on sale, how about that for timing?
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Mark Wyss
From Denver, CO
Joined Jan 1, 2001
250 points
Feb 18, 2012
On Cube Point, Tetons
If you're tall, be sure to check the back length. A couple of years ago only the Patagonia was long enough to take long arm movement for me at 6'3" Alan Nagel
Joined Feb 14, 2008
5 points
Feb 18, 2012
I got a Marmot Hyper earlier this year, it's super light weight. I love it. michaeltarne
Joined Jan 2, 2011
124 points
Feb 18, 2012
I have a Rab Demand Pull-On that gets used for just about everything. I'm a gear junkie, so I wish this wasn't true.

I wouldn't buy a Goretex piece, not at 13.5 oz, not Paclite, for summer.

If you're just looking for a summer piece, the light options in this thread are great. The OR Helium is a fantastic piece. Much as I like Rab, I'm not a fan of the Nimbus. The North Face Verto is another good one. Marmot Precip, Sierra Designs Microlight aren't breathable and aren't really waterproof - you'll be miserable in either, especially in the summer, compared to the other jackets. I'm not familiar with the Marmot Hyper.

The Patagonia Houdini is a great summer "shell" at low elevations and warm temperatures. I wouldn't trust it in the mountains alone, though some people do.
Stephan Doyle
Joined Jan 5, 2012
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Feb 19, 2012
The OR Helium II looks like the best light/packable rain jacket out there at the moment. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get one this year.

The SD microlight gets HORRIBLE reviews...definitely not waterproof. The Houdini is a nice light windbreaker but its not waterproof either. A non-waterproof rainjacket is pretty much useless when it really rains.
climbskihike
From Bay Area, CA
Joined May 23, 2011
20 points
Feb 19, 2012
As a young buck, i used the microlight on winter ascents in the alps with nothing but a baselayer and was comfortable most of the time, despite being a heavy duty sweater....cheap, light, durable, simple.

and the precip is made out of event, which is the most breathable of the 'waterproof' fabrics. Not waterproof worth a damn(but no shell truly is), but it breathes VERY WELL.
lee pownall
Joined Oct 21, 2010
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Feb 19, 2012
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The Patagonia Hoodini and the Patagonia Torrentshell pullover are two great jackets. The Torrentshell, though pretty simple, also doubles as my winter ice shell. Chris Duca
From Havertown, PA
Joined Dec 16, 2006
2,327 points
Feb 19, 2012
The Precip is definitely not made of Event. It has marmot's Precip coating, which is basically painted on PU, and is inferior to Event (which is a laminate, not a coating). They are cheap but don't last.

Read the reviews on Marmot's site and you will see that the coating commonly falls apart and flakes off after 1-2 years. Sure, they might give you a new one, but why not get something made to last?

Laminates in general are more expensive to make, but also more durable and more waterproof than coatings. Event is definitely more breathable than Precip.

The microlight may work just fine in winter - when temps are below freezing you don't need a rain jacket, a wind shell can work just fine. It's just not going to keep you dry in a real/prolonged rainstorm. The same would apply to the houdini and the north face verto. Good windshells, but crappy rainjackets.
climbskihike
From Bay Area, CA
Joined May 23, 2011
20 points
Feb 19, 2012
perfect seam
lee pownall wrote:
As a young buck, i used the microlight on winter ascents in the alps with nothing but a baselayer and was comfortable most of the time, despite being a heavy duty sweater....cheap, light, durable, simple. and the precip is made out of event, which is the most breathable of the 'waterproof' fabrics. Not waterproof worth a damn(but no shell truly is), but it breathes VERY WELL.


since when is the precip made of event, no. and not very waterproof? where do you come up with this shit. Either one is waterproof, maybe you should stop sweating.
fat cow
From St. Paul, MN
Joined Nov 17, 2009
92 points
Feb 19, 2012
I did forget to mention that I'm rather tall; 6'4" so NO to Marmot.

I'll have to try on a OR Helium, it looks like the perfect jacket. I wish Patagonia was consistent in there sizing, I tried an XL Torrentshell on yesterday and it was rather baggy, the Large the sleeves weren't long enough. But the XL Supercell fit perfectly.
GhaMby
From Heaven
Joined Oct 2, 2006
427 points
Feb 19, 2012
for climbing rock?

i own and use an OR helium ... 6 oz, packs in its own pocket, use it as a windbreaker on belays, has ORs stellar warranty .... you can find em for ~100$

for something "just in case", it works well as youre unlikely to use it for very long except to sit out showers or bail off a climb ... for which you dont need the latest $$$$ jacket ...

just remember that a lot of "normal" rain jackets weight anything from 12oz (dead bird alpha lt) to 19+oz (dead bird alpha sv) .... thats an extra 1-2 red camalots you can be carrying instead ... or a set of nuts... etc ...
bearbreeder
Joined Mar 1, 2009
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Feb 22, 2012
I may be biased since I sell North Face gear. I would wear my soft shell as I always do and back it up with the Verto when the weather really demands it. I have a Alpine Project Jacket on order for this year but that is hardly a cheap option. Mark Christensen
From Clawson, MI
Joined Feb 20, 2012
0 points
Administrator
Feb 22, 2012
El Chorro
The Precip is great in that it is relatively light, packs into it's own pocket, has pit zips and a descent hood, and can always be found for around $60. For an emergency shell I don't see a reason to spend a lot of money.

It is just a coating though, and it won't last forever. I have had two (first one got stolen) and use them a lot and have never had any delamination, but you'll read plenty of reviews from people who've had problems after a few years.

If you are looking for a piece that is going to last 5-10 years and can be used as a year round alpine shell then go for a good membrane and consider it an investment. Rab and Mountain Hardwear are usually my first two choices nowadays. I'd tell you to check out the Dissenter by the company I'm working for (Jack Wolfskin) but they are not available in the US.
Ryan Williams
From London (sort of)
Joined May 10, 2009
1,468 points
Feb 27, 2012
Imaginate
Allen C wrote:
The SD microlight gets HORRIBLE reviews...definitely not waterproof. The Houdini is a nice light windbreaker but its not waterproof either. A non-waterproof rainjacket is pretty much useless when it really rains.


The SD microlight is not factory seam sealed, so it should be no surprise that when you fill the jacket up with water and squeeze it, water drips out the seams. Most of the reviewers on rei.com are incompetent--it states on the webpage that the seams are not sealed; you can seal them yourself for about $2. It is true that the microlight is not as breathable as some of the other jackets mentioned in this thread, but it packs tiny, costs only $20, and is water proof.
David Appelhans
From Medford, MA
Joined Nov 11, 2007
350 points
Feb 27, 2012
Middle
I have a Rab Kinetic, it has a helmet hood which I prefer. I think I wore it a year an a half ago, I rarely use a hard shell so it doesn't get much use. Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Joined Jul 23, 2010
130 points
Feb 27, 2012
I'm not sure as I've never owned or used one, but I didn't think the SD microlight was supposed to be waterproof - the product info says it is water resistant.

Is it actually made with a waterproof material, such that sealing the seams would actually make it a functional, waterproof rain jacket? If so that might make it a decent option.
climbskihike
From Bay Area, CA
Joined May 23, 2011
20 points
Feb 27, 2012
David Appelhans wrote:
The SD microlight is not factory seam sealed, so it should be no surprise that when you fill the jacket up with water and squeeze it, water drips out the seams. Most of the reviewers on rei.com are incompetent--it states on the webpage that the seams are not sealed; you can seal them yourself for about $2. It is true that the microlight is not as breathable as some of the other jackets mentioned in this thread, but it packs tiny, costs only $20, and is water proof.


The SD Microlight doesn't meet any widely accepted standards for a waterproof rating. 600mm (according to Backcountry) is not waterPROOF.
Stephan Doyle
Joined Jan 5, 2012
0 points
Feb 29, 2012
Me in the cascades
my 5oz waterproof breathable North face triumph anorak

so light with so much protection.
Danielyaris
From Salem, OR
Joined Jun 12, 2011
20 points


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