The copperheads are NOT a thin crack shoe. I love em for easier stuff and they're awesome for .75 size and up but they SUCK at anything thinner. The extra toe rand material just doesn't work for finger cracks. Not the greatest edging shoe either. I can see why they were discontinued.

My next shoe is going to be a pair of comfortably sized Miura's.

As stated, before. Copperheads and moccasyms in my book are only good for easier cracks in the 0.75 size and bigger. They stink at edging.

for me I go with the women's muira's Since the men's version have too much in the toe box. I really liked the LS Barracuda's which were discontinued about 2 years ago. They did just about everything well. For finger cracks to ring locks, I like the LS women's Muira LV laceup's, TC .Pro's. For tight hands I and hands I like the moccasym's or Copperheads since you rarely need a ,technical shoe, since they rarely need a technical shoe, since I have a hard time thinking of a hard tight lands /hand that requires a technical shoe. For wider, I just use anything.

SeamSeal them from the get-go. Shoo-goo or any other adhesive/sealant will do the trick, as well. Another option would be to have the rand rubber extended further up the shoe, when resoled, to move the point of weakness.

Scarpa Technos

You should try the La Sportiva Mythos. They are a very comfortable, high performance crack climbing shoe. Size them tight, even for cracks, because they stretch a lot.

The top three recomended crack shoes so far:

TC Pros
Moccasyms
Miuras

I would add that the Boreal Ballets, Aces and Lasers, although old school ( but still available ) are all excellent crack climbing shoes.

miuras after the first resole ... they stretch

or katanas myself ...

but its whatever fits yr foot, hopefully flat ....

Kaukulators.

The blue ones.

Let's see the steck/salathe go in those "Mocs"

Pfft.

I'll second for Mythos. Definitely one of the best trad/crack shoes out there. And yes, size them 1/2 to full size down from you're normal shoe size due to the stretch.

Scarpa Force's have done alright by me. Although, if you're planning on jamming on splitters I would opt for the Super Moccs over the Forces.

Brett,

I've owned about 3-4 pairs of each:

As others have already said, the TC pros are great for cracks. They are also great for the technical face climbing not too far from you, down around the Brevard/Cashiers area (if they are snug). Unfortunately they are overly expensive and tend to come apart at the rands rather quickly. I've found that these stretch a good bit and size them the same as my old miura's (and I can wear them on long routes just fine).

The grandstones are also okay, providing better ankle protection than the TC's. However, once they break in they soften up quite a bit, even though they are stiff out of the box.

If you're serious about your footwork, then you'll definitely appreciate the fit of the TC pro's (provided they fit your feet okay).

Different shoe for different place:

IC - Mythos
Vedauwoo - any high top
Yosemite - my good old Boreal Ace
Lumpy - Red Chillies

for thin hands and smaller i like the katanas, although i hate that the buckle is on the 'wrong' side of the shoe (gets chewed up quickly). the old purple mad rock slippers are great for the price also.

for hands and up i kind of like the copperheads, cause i don't have to mess around with constantly spackling the top with shoe goo/whatever, and i don't have to mess around with replacing laces.

for OW, i have an old green pair of 5.10 altias that are about to die, and that will be a sad day. probably won't happen for a while though cause my shoulders are really starting to hate the OW's.

i love my mocs for cracks. i used them when i went to moab and indian creek.

can we get 3 pages on this highly abused topic?

haha i'm with mobley on this one... i mean, another shoe thread... how about, get some fucking shoes and go climbing, when you figure out what you like and don't like... buy more shoes!

plus mobley is the admin for CT... that's like... the bottom of the admin totem pole

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