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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Sep 23, 2013
tanuki
yeah. I don't see the $5.6 mil number any more either. they are toning down the "extreme" angle after getting such a negative response from their promotional Youtube video. That video is now "private," but it should be archived somewhere on the net. Someone with strong google-fu should be able to find it easily. On that vid they talk about the number of sherpa.

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By ze_dirtbag
From TBD
Sep 23, 2013
cottonmouth
at least he's not going about it pussy style like that ueli steck guy where you have to rely on being good in the mountains. if you're a real man, you get a bunch of sponsors and peasants to handle all those little details like paing for the expedition, fixing the ropes, carrying your shit, making your camp and putting the little mint on your pillow each night

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By Brian Bulthuis
From New York, NY
Sep 23, 2013
"Over 3780 porters and nearly 100 support staff" was their original statement. I guess if they're now only going to do 6 summits in 2014 the logistics become so trivial they're no longer worth a mention on their website.

eb.archive.org/web/20130422133...

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By Davis Stevenson
From Flagstaff, Arizona
Sep 23, 2013
Following up a new route out in the Mojave Desert....
Brian Bulthuis wrote:
"Over 3780 porters and nearly 100 support staff" was their original statement. I guess if they're now only going to do 6 summits in 2014 the logistics become so trivial they're no longer worth a mention on their website. eb.archive.org/web/20130422133...


I was starting to hope he would fail, but with that many porters they'll just haul his frozen ass to the summits anyway. Then... they'll call him a hero.

Ugh.

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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Sep 23, 2013
tanuki
Here is another gem from the FAQ on the Mission 14 website:

"Why donít you just skip climbing the mountains and give all that money to charity?

If only it were that easy. Raising money is extremely difficult. If Mission 14ô could raise millions of dollars without doing anything, we would. However, since people donít simply give away money, weíve come up with a great platform for brands and individuals who might never have supported the fight against human trafficking otherwise. We create a global audience of millions of followers with compelling and authentic content, and keep the mission of combating human trafficking front and center. Then not only are our sponsors engaged charitably, our audience is too, and incredible fundraising opportunities open up."

What a bunch of marketing double-speak. This is all about Nick, and the opportunity for NIck to have his "adventure" paid for by someone else. "Helping the children" is just a means to an end. The end is supporting Nick's ego and getting him to the top of mountains. The expedition costs $5.6 M. If Nick and his team forgot about the expedition and spent two years just raising money and awareness I am sure that the the cause of human trafficking would be much better off. At its core, this "charity" is a con, the "climbing expedition" is joke by any standard. I sincerely hope that the donors, both corporate and individual, will open their eyes and see this fiasco for exactly what it is.

BTW, don't forget to go to the Mission 14 FB page and "like" Ryan and Davis' posts. They already have more likes than all but one other post ever made on that page.

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By Mark Ra
From Mid-Atlantic/CO
Apr 7, 2014
MBC
bump

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By Buff Johnson
Apr 7, 2014
smiley face
i got more likes helping out w/ the birth of my niece than any of my mtn pics, if that's any comparison to the "extreme"

at least a few of the m14 peak baggers were able to walk up the big slag heap in the south

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By Toby Butterfield
From Portland, OR
Apr 7, 2014
Fear and Loathing.
I really miss the original teaser video. Does anyone have it archived?

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By David Barbour
From Denver
Apr 7, 2014
They posted this in January on Facebook:

"Changes to our plans...mission14.org/
After receiving extensive input from the climbing community and our primary sponsors about our original plans to climb all fourteen 8,000 meter peaks in 2014, Mission 14 has substantially revised its goals and climbing style. We are grateful for the candid (albeit painful at times) feedback we received concerning the risks and style of our original approach.

Starting in the spring of 2015, we will attempt to set a new Himalayan record of summiting six of the highest mountains in the world in a single year. We have formed a multi-national team of eight climbers who will participate in the climbs. These individuals come from varied backgrounds with solid climbing experience. The diversity of the team is expected to provide great insight, color and content to the overall story of the expedition.

The climbs will happen in the two key climbing seasons; spring and fall. In the spring the plan will be to summit Everest, Lhotse and Makalu. In the fall the team will be on Manaslu, Cho Oyu and Shishapangma.

The primary goal of the mission is still to raise awareness and funding for organizations working to eradicate human trafficking in the US and around the world. Despite our early missteps, our current financial support allows these organizations to do the work they have been called to do."

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By Rock Nuttool
Apr 7, 2014
Rock Nuttool
From the "Team" page on Mission14's website. Current team members are Nick and his wife, evidently.

ďAt 18 years old I left college and enrolled in a 3-month outdoor leadership course in the Rocky Mountains of Canada. Four weeks later I lay dead at the bottom of a dark, wet cave. My rope broke as I was rappelling down into the main room and I fell over 75 feet bouncing off walls and rocks. Despite the fall I didnít have a single broken bone, just some torn muscles in my lower back and slight concussion. Two weeks later I was climbing and skiing in the backcountry.Ē -Nick Cienski

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By Allen Sanderson
From Oootah
Apr 7, 2014
Stairway To Heaven - all the way to the Pearly Gat...
David Barbour wrote:
They posted this in January on Facebook: "Changes to our plans...mission14.org/ After receiving extensive input from the climbing community and our primary sponsors about our original plans to climb all fourteen 8,000 meter peaks in 2014, Mission 14 has substantially revised its goals and climbing style. We are grateful for the candid (albeit painful at times) feedback we received concerning the risks and style of our original approach. Starting in the spring of 2015, we will attempt to set a new Himalayan record of summiting six of the highest mountains in the world in a single year. "


While their overall goals/style still do not do much for me, at least they listened. And probably realized that they were not being taken seriously thus were not going to meet their goals in any shape or form.

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By Kai Larson
From Sandy, Utah
Apr 7, 2014
Tour Ronde North Face
"Awareness climbs" and "Fundraising Climbs" are still B.S.

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By Ryan Watts
From Bishop, CA
Apr 8, 2014
Flatirons
Kai Larson wrote:
"Awareness climbs" and "Fundraising Climbs" are still B.S.


More BS than other charity fundraisers? How so?

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By Allen Sanderson
From Oootah
Apr 8, 2014
Stairway To Heaven - all the way to the Pearly Gat...
Ryan Watts wrote:
More BS than other charity fundraisers? How so?



Most charity fundraisers the person organizing them gets very little out of the event. Take a swim for fun to raise awareness of the dangers of di-hydrogen monoxide. The organizer and participants get to say they swam a mile and not die. But really that is it. The organizer on their own accord could probably arrange to do such a swim on their own regardless. That is there are very little up front costs that directly support the organizer.

With Mission 14 and other many other similar fundraisers there are significant up front costs that go directly to supporting the organizer. Supporting them in a way that enables to have fun at someone else's expense that in normal circumstance they could not afford to do.

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By Medic741
From Pittsford, New York
Apr 8, 2014
When I was a bum at Frey
Watch the video posted on the front page of the site.

mission14.org/

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By John Vanek
From Gardnerville, NV
Apr 8, 2014
Allen Sanderson wrote:
While their overall goals/style still do not do much for me, at least they listened. And probably realized that they were not being taken seriously thus were not going to meet their goals in any shape or form.



Allen, while they may have listened to the climbing community, I still don't see much of a presence from the anti-human trafficking community (i.e., experts on trafficking and the response to trafficking.

As another post stated, the idea of raising and spending $6M to raise awareness to raise more money is BS; there are many organizations engaging in this issue that don't aggrandize one person's project like climbing 8000 meter peaks.

Sad.

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By Mark Ra
From Mid-Atlantic/CO
Apr 8, 2014
MBC
5-6m would be 2-3 years funding of the full budget of the NYF which builds rural nutritional rehab clinics, fights child slavery and the kamlari system, rescues and provides housing to street children, and provides education scholarships for impoverished youth in Nepal.

charitynavigator.org/index.cfm...

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By Allen Sanderson
From Oootah
Apr 8, 2014
Stairway To Heaven - all the way to the Pearly Gat...
John Vanek wrote:
Allen, while they may have listened to the climbing community, I still don't see much of a presence from the anti-human trafficking community (i.e., experts on trafficking and the response to trafficking. As another post stated, the idea of raising and spending $6M to raise awareness to raise more money is BS; there are many organizations engaging in this issue that don't aggrandize one person's project like climbing 8000 meter peaks. Sad.



I absolutely agree John, my comment was to at least give them a wee bit of credit, they went from totally unrealistic to just unrealistic. However, the whole thing is as you said a case of "exploiting the exploited" and as I like to say the fallacy of the first. So unreality not much progress.

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By clint helander
From anchorage, alaska
Apr 9, 2014
Sleeping on top of Washington column after climbin...
wow. trolling and talking an immense amount of shit on the internet ACTUALLY WORKS!!!

Sweet.

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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Apr 9, 2014
tanuki
John Vanek wrote:
Allen, while they may have listened to the climbing community, I still don't see much of a presence from the anti-human trafficking community (i.e., experts on trafficking and the response to trafficking. As another post stated, the idea of raising and spending $6M to raise awareness to raise more money is BS; there are many organizations engaging in this issue that don't aggrandize one person's project like climbing 8000 meter peaks. Sad.


To me, the bolded portion is the absolute crux of this endeavor. At its core, Mission14 is about Nick, and his peak-bagging adventure. Through clever (or not-so-clever) marketing spin he has tried to represent this as a charitable endeavor. Apparently Nick has some charisma, and he has been able to convince some gullible people and corporations to fund his expeditions. That doesn't change the fact that the marginal benefit to "the children" from this is minimal at best, and any $s spent on the expedition could be put to better use by real charities that are not busy climbing mountains.

It is also interesting that Mission14 is now keeping a VERY close eye on their FaceBook Page. Any comment that is not 100% complimentary is immediately deleted and the poster blocked. Comments on their YouTube account are disabled. They do not respond to any e-mails asking difficult questions about the "mission." It is also very telling that they have removed all references to their corporate sponsors from their website. I can only assume that it is very difficult to continue to solicit corporate support when your sponsors receive feedback from the public that contradicts Nick's spin the "mission." Despite their claims of welcoming an open dialogue, it seems that they have no interest in discussing this endeavor with the public and will do whatever they can to obfuscate any less than positive commentary on their endeavors.

I do not see the change in the goals of Mission14 to be a positive thing. Simply put, Nick is still a scam artist and should be paying for his own guided vacations. Whether they climb 14 peaks or 6, representing this ill-concieved and spurious endeavor as a charity is a travesty.

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By SumX
From Lakewood CO
Apr 9, 2014
I just took another look at the site. Apparently this is a good way to build a team for 6 x 8,000m next year:

"Next year we will need the best team possible to achieve our goal of summiting 6 of world's highest peaks in a single year. Our climb here in Argentina was a good start to building that team."

This is just plain funny. Albeit a shallow attempt to get a free trip.

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By Tom-onator
From This Galaxy
Apr 9, 2014
Tom-onator
No matter how hard you polish, a turd is still a turd.

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By SumX
From Lakewood CO
Apr 9, 2014
According to their 2012 990 they took in $78,224 in revenue, spent $43,290 of which $36,934 was for a salary and have $34,934 in the bank.

Also interesting is the gobbledygook language that describes the mission. Not one word about climbing 8,000m mountains.

Might want to pick up the fundraising somewhat!


From the Mission 14 2012 990
From the Mission 14 2012 990

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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Apr 9, 2014
tanuki
For those of you that have been banned from the Misson14 FB page for questioning the efficacy of spending millions to climb mountains in order to raise awareness about human trafficking, you can still make comments on the video of his TedX presentation.

Don't be shy. Let Nick and others who view this video know what you think about the scam that is Mission14.


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By Buff Johnson
Apr 9, 2014
smiley face
I climb for free range dolphins that fart rainbows.

Seriously, a Ted talk? Holy crap did that event just lose a bunch of credibility.

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