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I'm looking at the Metolius harness and wondering the benefit of 2 belay loops on a multi-pitch. Can someone explain what is going on in a multi-pitch climb that requires 2 belay loops (aside from aid climbing)? skeeter
From Lakewood CA
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redundundundundundundundancy, er redundancy redundancy Max Supertramp
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Oct 5, 2012
To be truly safe, of course, you should wear two harnesses. mikek
From SLC, UT
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Oct 5, 2012
For aid climbing you could have two daisy chains and a fifi hook all coming of the center of the your harness. Two loops help keep things cleaner Bill M
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Oct 5, 2012
To be more specific I was referring to this phrase on the SAFE TECH ALL-AROUND CLIMBING HARNESS "Two belay/rappel loops make setting up for rapples and multi-pitch belays easier" skeeter
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Scott Gardiner wrote:
To be more specific I was referring to this phrase on the SAFE TECH ALL-AROUND CLIMBING HARNESS "Two belay/rappel loops make setting up for rapples and multi-pitch belays easier"

If your clipped in your anchor and getting ready to rap it can be annoying to have 2 or 3 carabiners on one belay loop interfering with eachother. Same thing with a hanging belay, it's bothersome to have multiple carabiners on one belay loop while your belaying off it.
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At the BRC
Two loops will work for rapples, but you really need three for efficient repels. Mark E Dixon
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Oct 5, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
The only real convelience I can think of it that you can tie in between them and still always have one on "the right side" to belay on no matter what. But I wouldn't want that. Tony B
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At the BRC
Seriously though, I like to use two seperate rappel devices on each rappel, to maintain a margin of safety. Like a figure 8 on one loop and an ATC on the other. If you use the same loop for both locking biners they can rub together, unfasten each other and release the rope. Mark E Dixon
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Oct 5, 2012
omg
I like to use both for rappels when I put my atc extended on a sling and have a backup prussik underneath connected to the other loop. ChristopherAust
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The Shield
Its so you can clip their hoop style ear rings in on both sides. Sam Lightner, Jr.
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Oct 5, 2012
Thanks, my question has been answered, enjoyed the humor too. Cheers all skeeter
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Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
Sam Lightner, Jr. wrote:
Its so you can clip their hoop style ear rings in on both sides.

Hoops??? Gauge dude... And you call yourself a hipster!?!?!?!
Tony B
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yaak crack Red Rock Canyon, NV
real hipsters don't wear earrings. wait. what's a hipster? Jon Zucco
From Denver, CO
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Oct 6, 2012
Two loops are very convenient while rope soloing and following pitches on Jumars. In both situations you tend to have a backup knot clipped into your belay loop. The weight of which pulls the loop down. Now every time you reach up with a daisy(or Jumar) you are pulling up against that loop. Might not seem too bad, but after 1000+ cycles it adds up. With two loops one is delegated to your backup knot and the other is your attachment for everything else.

That is at least how I use the big gun BD harness, most of my climbing is rope solo.
Kevin Stricker
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Oct 6, 2012
Bocan
Jon Zucco wrote:
real hipsters don't wear earrings. wait. what's a hipster?


Why did the hipster burn the roof of his mouth?

He ate his pizza before it was cool.
Scott McMahon
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Oct 6, 2012
yaak crack Red Rock Canyon, NV
that doesn't answer my question. Jon Zucco
From Denver, CO
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Chuck Norris can Divide by Zero
I found this to be the most informative in regards to the existential metaphysical question of "What is a hipster"

cracked.com/funny-4573-hipster...

I thought this graph was also a good summary:

Hipster breakdown
Hipster breakdown



PT
paintrain
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yaak crack Red Rock Canyon, NV
I see. Thanks, the graphic explains it all. Jon Zucco
From Denver, CO
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